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Grumpy_chap said:

I don't have a quality, prestigious vehicle.  Nor end of lease / PCP.

I always put the cheapest tyres.

They wear well - typically 30k - 40k miles.  Expensive tyres only do half that.

Very MSE.

I've found the same, the expensive Continentals wore out in no time, the mighty Pace have easily outlasted them, and they grip better on icy roads, probably the 1950s rubber compounds that Chengshan use

Grumpy_chap

I just checked, 4 tyres for the Focus £150 all-in Dec 2019 at 134k miles.  Currently 145k miles and the tyres look good-as-new.  (Not much use since the tyres were fitted because of lockdown and being on SORN.)

Before that, fronts at 111k miles.

Before that 4 tyres at 76k miles.

So, 25 to 50k from a pair of fronts.  60k from a pair of rears

BOWFER

Grumpy_chap said:

Can't get my Focus to wheelspin in 1st gear in snow laying on ice 😲
Deep tread on my tyres.

Your car's knackered mate.

Grumpy_chap

BOWFER said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Can't get my Focus to wheelspin in 1st gear in snow laying on ice 😲
Deep tread on my tyres.

Your car's knackered mate.

Thanks.

You may say "knackered".  I say many more years of bangernomics ahead. 😈

It was approaching an upgrade, possibly, but just sat there on SORN since we've been put on lockdown.  That may have been what done for it 😱

BOWFER

Grumpy_chap said:

I just checked, 4 tyres for the Focus £150 all-in Dec 2019 at 134k miles.  Currently 145k miles and the tyres look good-as-new.  (Not much use since the tyres were fitted because of lockdown and being on SORN.)

Before that, fronts at 111k miles.

Before that 4 tyres at 76k miles.

So, 25 to 50k from a pair of fronts.  60k from a pair of rears

I'm all for getting good mileage from tyres, but never at the expense of grip.
I genuinely think a lot of these budget tyres should be banned, they're that bad.

leonj

I wouldn't buy a car from a dealer that hasn't already prepared it for sale

Grumpy_chap

BOWFER said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I just checked, 4 tyres for the Focus £150 all-in Dec 2019 at 134k miles.  Currently 145k miles and the tyres look good-as-new.  (Not much use since the tyres were fitted because of lockdown and being on SORN.)

Before that, fronts at 111k miles.

Before that 4 tyres at 76k miles.

So, 25 to 50k from a pair of fronts.  60k from a pair of rears

I'm all for getting good mileage from tyres, but never at the expense of grip.
I genuinely think a lot of these budget tyres should be banned, they're that bad.

The grip from the tyres on my Focus is sufficient that I only need two driven wheels and never failed to get sufficient traction sufficient to make progress irrespective of road surface.

The grip on my Focus has always been sufficient to stop.  We already covered that it does not wheelspin.

The four tyres in 2017 and the four tyres in 2017 were £150 the lot each time.  Some cars you'd see paying that for one tyre that does not last as long 

What more could I want? 
One of those cars with fancy-schmancy four-wheel drive to get more grip and wear the expensive tyres quicker 

AdrianC

Grumpy_chap said:

BOWFER said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I just checked, 4 tyres for the Focus £150 all-in Dec 2019 at 134k miles.  Currently 145k miles and the tyres look good-as-new.  (Not much use since the tyres were fitted because of lockdown and being on SORN.)

Before that, fronts at 111k miles.

Before that 4 tyres at 76k miles.

So, 25 to 50k from a pair of fronts.  60k from a pair of rears

I'm all for getting good mileage from tyres, but never at the expense of grip.
I genuinely think a lot of these budget tyres should be banned, they're that bad.

The grip from the tyres on my Focus is sufficient that I only need two driven wheels and never failed to get sufficient traction sufficient to make progress irrespective of road surface.

The grip on my Focus has always been sufficient to stop.  We already covered that it does not wheelspin.

The four tyres in 2017 and the four tyres in 2017 were £150 the lot each time.  Some cars you'd see paying that for one tyre that does not last as long 

What more could I want? 
One of those cars with fancy-schmancy four-wheel drive to get more grip and wear the expensive tyres quicker 

It's nowhere near that simple.

Stopping distance on cheap tyres is far longer, especially in the wet.
Lateral grip is worse, and understeer comes in at lower speeds.
They usually require much more balancing, and are usually harsher-riding.
They're usually higher rolling-resistance, so worse economy.

Grumpy_chap

AdrianC said:

Stopping distance on cheap tyres is far longer, especially in the wet.
Lateral grip is worse, and understeer comes in at lower speeds.

I don't go fast enough to need brakes and don't go round corners much either - always just motorway and plenty of gap in front

peter3hg

Grumpy_chap said:

BOWFER said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I just checked, 4 tyres for the Focus £150 all-in Dec 2019 at 134k miles.  Currently 145k miles and the tyres look good-as-new.  (Not much use since the tyres were fitted because of lockdown and being on SORN.)

Before that, fronts at 111k miles.

Before that 4 tyres at 76k miles.

So, 25 to 50k from a pair of fronts.  60k from a pair of rears

I'm all for getting good mileage from tyres, but never at the expense of grip.
I genuinely think a lot of these budget tyres should be banned, they're that bad.

The grip from the tyres on my Focus is sufficient that I only need two driven wheels and never failed to get sufficient traction sufficient to make progress irrespective of road surface.

The grip on my Focus has always been sufficient to stop.  We already covered that it does not wheelspin.

The four tyres in 2017 and the four tyres in 2017 were £150 the lot each time.  Some cars you'd see paying that for one tyre that does not last as long 

What more could I want? 
One of those cars with fancy-schmancy four-wheel drive to get more grip and wear the expensive tyres quicker 

There is a trade-off with grip and tyre life. On dry roads the harder the compound the better the tyre life but the worse the grip, it is simple physics. Better tyre design can go slightly against that relationship but certainly not on £45 ditch-finders.

Frankly I put my, my passengers and others safety above saving a couple of hundred quid a year but we all judge priorities differently.