Buying from Landlord but he wants us to pay extra for furnitures we paid for?

Grumpy_chap

Either way, you are happy to pay £140 for the house.

The amount in discussion is £1,300 on top.  You want to stay in the house you are in.  Presumably, that means buy this house (as if you don't, the LL still wants to sell) or move elsewhere.  How does £1,300 compare to the costs of moving?

Conversely, if you do not move willingly and the LL wants to sell, it could cost the LL to encourage compliant vacation by the current tenants.

TBH - in the scheme of a house sale / purchase, £1,300 is such a small sum as to hardly be worth discussing.

Tuikhe

Grumpy_chap said:

Either way, you are happy to pay £140 for the house.

The amount in discussion is £1,300 on top.  You want to stay in the house you are in.  Presumably, that means buy this house (as if you don't, the LL still wants to sell) or move elsewhere.  How does £1,300 compare to the costs of moving?

Conversely, if you do not move willingly and the LL wants to sell, it could cost the LL to encourage compliant vacation by the current tenants.

TBH - in the scheme of a house sale / purchase, £1,300 is such a small sum as to hardly be worth discussing.

That’s really not the point tho, we’ve pretty much replaced everything once it was worn out or broken and he was happy for us to do that. But now we’re having to pay for things which already paid for. Seems rather greedy and unfair 

lookstraightahead

Grumpy_chap said:

Either way, you are happy to pay £140 for the house.

The amount in discussion is £1,300 on top.  You want to stay in the house you are in.  Presumably, that means buy this house (as if you don't, the LL still wants to sell) or move elsewhere.  How does £1,300 compare to the costs of moving?

Conversely, if you do not move willingly and the LL wants to sell, it could cost the LL to encourage compliant vacation by the current tenants.

TBH - in the scheme of a house sale / purchase, £1,300 is such a small sum as to hardly be worth discussing.

I get your points, and in the whole scheme of things it's not that much, but all of these 'bits' add up - and the landlord seems to think it's a lot too! I'm a person who often cuts off my nose to spite my face and I have to keep that in check, but it's obvious the landlord is trying it on. 

Marvel1

Ask him what does the £1300 cover.

saajan_12

Tuikhe said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Either way, you are happy to pay £140 for the house.

The amount in discussion is £1,300 on top.  You want to stay in the house you are in.  Presumably, that means buy this house (as if you don't, the LL still wants to sell) or move elsewhere.  How does £1,300 compare to the costs of moving?

Conversely, if you do not move willingly and the LL wants to sell, it could cost the LL to encourage compliant vacation by the current tenants.

TBH - in the scheme of a house sale / purchase, £1,300 is such a small sum as to hardly be worth discussing.

That’s really not the point tho, we’ve pretty much replaced everything once it was worn out or broken and he was happy for us to do that. But now we’re having to pay for things which already paid for. Seems rather greedy and unfair 

Its all a negotiation, you could just decline and say you don't want to buy the extras. Regarding the tenancy, if you didn't agree with the LL that you would replace the items, then they're yours. The LL's original items are a matter for deposit deductions - ie did they have any residual value after 10+ years. 

However whatever you name it, the £1300 is effectively money towards the property. If the LL refuses to sell without the 1.3k, then your options are to pay 141.3k total or look elsewhere. If it was a 141.3k asking price, would you still want to buy it? 

NameUnavailable

Obvious answer seems to me to go back to the LL to explain that you have replaced all of his stuff as it wore out/broke and ask him what the £1300 is for.

gingercordial

Tuikhe said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Either way, you are happy to pay £140 for the house.

The amount in discussion is £1,300 on top.  You want to stay in the house you are in.  Presumably, that means buy this house (as if you don't, the LL still wants to sell) or move elsewhere.  How does £1,300 compare to the costs of moving?

Conversely, if you do not move willingly and the LL wants to sell, it could cost the LL to encourage compliant vacation by the current tenants.

TBH - in the scheme of a house sale / purchase, £1,300 is such a small sum as to hardly be worth discussing.

That’s really not the point tho, we’ve pretty much replaced everything once it was worn out or broken and he was happy for us to do that. But now we’re having to pay for things which already paid for. Seems rather greedy and unfair 

You really have to let go of thinking about it in terms of what is fair or greedy or not, it will only make you annoyed and miserable.  I know it's hard!  But it simply does not matter what is for the property or for the fixtures or anything else.  The seller wants more money than you have offered.  Don't get into arguments about what for.  Only: what are you paying in total, and are you happy to pay this new amount for this house?

If you think the new total is too much you can either say you will not increase your offer, or you can say you'll increase it by a smaller amount, or you can pull out.  And if he says he still wants all the extra, you can look for somewhere else to buy.  That is all that matters.

BikingBud

If you have records of his acceptance to discard his old furniture then that surely covers any deposit consideration. If you have subsequently bought your own things is that not a separate fact?

As much as he might want to sell while you are still legally in the house (I trust he hasn't started any process to terminate your tenancy) you are actually in quite a good position to seek a compromise heavily weighted in your favour.

From what you say it would appear that the LL has been lax in a few of the obligations; EICR not yet completed required from 1 Apr 21 and gas safety check only twice during your tenure, required annually! Have you seen an EPC? Although PA testing is not obligatory the LL is required to ensure the electrical appliances are electrically safe, this is often achieved by PA testing.

Where is your deposit? Do you know?

It would be worthwhile understanding the strength of your position, check here, and his potential legal and procedural shortcomings and seeking to come to a mutually agreeable solution. 

Wanderingpomm

macman said:

Why on earth did you pay to replace things that were included on the inventory and the responsibility of the LL to maintain or replace? Sounds like your LL is so lazy and incompetent that he probably has no record of what fittings are yours and what are his.
You only have to pay for the ones that are his, and, like everything else, the price is negotiable. 
We don't know what is included for £1300, but it's unlikely to be worth much after 10 years. Given his attitude, I would call his bluff and say that you aren't prepared to pay anything more than a token amount for the fittings that are his. He will then have to pay for the cost of removing them before completion-which will cost him more than he can get from you purchasing them.

just because it’s in the inventory it does not mean the LL has to replace it if it breaks. Many tenancy agreements say items will not be replaced if they wear out. 

Slithery

BikingBud said:

Although PA testing is not obligatory the LL is required to ensure the electrical appliances are electrically safe, this is often achieved by PA testing.

Thank you so much for the correct use of the English language