Economy 7 hours

ecraig

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

dealyboy

@ecraig said:

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

Maybe the exception that proves the rule ...  . Do you happen to know what your MTSC is out of interest?

Gerry1

ecraig said:

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

@ecraig Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid.  That could be an expensive mistake if you have appliances controlled by local timeswitches.  The times are set by your Distribution Network Operator, not your supplier.

You need to check what your meter is actually doing, not what it should be doing.

dunstonh

Gerry1 said:

ecraig said:

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

@ecraig Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid.  That could be an expensive mistake if you have appliances controlled by local timeswitches.  The times are set by your Distribution Network Operator, not your supplier.

You need to check what your meter is actually doing, not what it should be doing.

There is a fair bit of misinformation on the internet about e7 hours.  When I did a search to find out my hours many years ago, I was getting all sorts.  Doing a search now for Eastern I get:

• Eastern England – 7 hours between 23.00 and 07.00  -
• Eastern 11pm - 7am
  
• Between 11.30pm and 8.30am – Eastern, East Midlands, London, Midlands, ScottishPower

This was on ovo:

My MPAN starts 10.  That shows it should be midnight to 7am.    

My real switching time is 00.30 to 07.30 GMT.  I verified it by sitting on front of the meter at the time to make sure it switched.    So, many sites give the wrong info.

THE CORRECT WAY

A reliable way is to use the MTSC  (meter time switch code) which is the number on middle upper block on which you can find on your bill



500 Single rate
501 Single rate
801 Single rate
802 Single rate
803 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 clock time
804 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 clock time
805 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 GMT
806 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:300 GMT
807 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
808 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
809 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
810 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
811 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
812 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
813 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
814 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
815 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
816 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
817 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
830 Cheap: 01:00 – 08:00 clock time
831 Cheap: 01:00 – 08:00 clock time

Mine is 811 which correctly reflected my times.  Well sort of as that is also when I realised my meter time had drifted and it was changing at 00.30 meter time which didn't match 00.30 real time.  So, it was a good exercise to carry out.

dealyboy

... and mine is 807 (also 10 Eastern).

Gerry1

dunstonh said:

Gerry1 said:

ecraig said:

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

@ecraig Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid.  That could be an expensive mistake if you have appliances controlled by local timeswitches.  The times are set by your Distribution Network Operator, not your supplier.

You need to check what your meter is actually doing, not what it should be doing.

THE CORRECT WAY

A reliable way is to use the MTSC  (meter time switch code) which is the number on middle upper block on which you can find on your bill



500 Single rate
501 Single rate
801 Single rate
802 Single rate
803 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 clock time
804 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 clock time
805 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 GMT
806 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:300 GMT
807 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
808 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
809 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
810 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
811 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
812 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
813 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
814 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
815 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
816 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
817 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
830 Cheap: 01:00 – 08:00 clock time
831 Cheap: 01:00 – 08:00 clock time

Not necessarily.  Mine's 16. 🤔

Phones4Chris

Gerry1 said:

dunstonh said:

Gerry1 said:

ecraig said:

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

@ecraig Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid.  That could be an expensive mistake if you have appliances controlled by local timeswitches.  The times are set by your Distribution Network Operator, not your supplier.

You need to check what your meter is actually doing, not what it should be doing.

THE CORRECT WAY

A reliable way is to use the MTSC  (meter time switch code) which is the number on middle upper block on which you can find on your bill



500 Single rate
501 Single rate
801 Single rate
802 Single rate
803 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 clock time
804 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 clock time
805 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:30 GMT
806 Cheap: 23:30 – 06:300 GMT
807 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
808 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
809 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
810 Cheap: Midnight – 0700 GMT
811 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
812 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
813 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
814 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
815 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 GMT
816 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
817 Cheap: 00:30 – 07:30 clock time
830 Cheap: 01:00 – 08:00 clock time
831 Cheap: 01:00 – 08:00 clock time

Not necessarily.  Mine's 16. 🤔

Not necessarily indeed!
@dunstonh sorry that is NOT the definitive time that your rates will switch!
As mentioned previously in this thread
"It would be your Distribution Network Operator" that determines the exact switching time (for me it's National Grid - was Western Power Networks).
The MTSC gives your the nominal switch times. Eg. mine is 811, but the actual times are 0039-0739 GMT.
You need to either sit in front of the meter and check what time it actually switches OR Ask your Distribution Network Operator.
And just FYI, the clock is not wrong, it's a Smart meter and the time is correct.

ecraig

dealyboy said:

@ecraig said:

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

Maybe the exception that proves the rule ...  . Do you happen to know what your MTSC is out of interest?

Thanks. I’m 811, which, as clarified in another post is 00.30 till 7.30. 

My DNO isn’t straightforward as they are an IDNO and exceptionally hard to get hold of. They only want to talk with professionals about network stuff (and take 3.5 months to generate a G98), and never call back. Until you shame them on social media. 😂

I have never sat and watched my meter to validate if it’s working properly and if the time is actually correct. According to octopus app i can see I usually draw 0.06kwh at 00.00 so this indicates my clock is fast. I’ll adjust my battery to start charging 15 mins later.

dealyboy

ecraig said:

dealyboy said:

@ecraig said:

I live in region 20. On octopus it’s actually 12.30 until 7.30 for me, whereas on other suppliers it’s 1hr earlier in the same zone.
best to check in with your specific energy company. 

Maybe the exception that proves the rule ...  . Do you happen to know what your MTSC is out of interest?

Thanks. I’m 811, which, as clarified in another post is 00.30 till 7.30. 

My DNO isn’t straightforward as they are an IDNO and exceptionally hard to get hold of. They only want to talk with professionals about network stuff (and take 3.5 months to generate a G98), and never call back. Until you shame them on social media. 😂

I have never sat and watched my meter to validate if it’s working properly and if the time is actually correct. According to octopus app i can see I usually draw 0.06kwh at 00.00 so this indicates my clock is fast. I’ll adjust my battery to start charging 15 mins later.

Thanks @ecraig so that's consistent and from what you've said your neighbours' code is likely to be 805 (standard). I think I've read in places on this Board that Octopus arrange a change to the time bands for TOU tariffs including E7, but don't take that as gospel.

I have checked my E7 transition times at the meter in the past but I now check my IHD, which is far more convenient, this shows for me they happen on the dot, I presume I'm getting live tariff data from the meter.

From what our experienced and helpful Forumites say ... you can be speak to the 'authorities' ... you can check apps, figures and barcharts ... check your code, but at the end of the day there is no substitute for watching your meter. You should only need to do it a couple of times and then hopefully you can move forward with confidence. 

Edit: Is your Network Operator not Scottish & Southern Electricity Networks? contactable (complaints) on 0800 980 1395 Mon-Sat 08:00-17:00 ... https://www.ssen.co.uk/about-ssen/contact-us/
https://www.energynetworks.org/customers/find-my-network-operator .

mmmmikey

If you try and check your E7 times by looking at a bill, calling your supplier or your DNO or whatever all you're actually checking what the times should be if everything is set up and installed correctly and/or the accuracy of the records. There's absolutely no guarantee that either of these things are correct. Given that the cost of getting it wrong can be quite significant I'm with @Gerry1 @dealyboy and others on this who have suggested checking the meter itself.