Tiled window sills not replaced when new upvc windows fitted not sure why?

greenface2

grumbler said:

greenface2 said:

FreeBear said:

kenneth77 said: (current frames are wood and tiled sills upstairs)

When they surveyed and measured up for the replacement windows, did they check for the presence of lintels ?

Old properties are notorious for using wood (or steel) frames to support the outer leaf of brickwork. When the frames are replaced with uPVC, without adequate support, the brickwork starts to collapse and cracks form. If you have a big lump of stone over the top of each window, no need for alarm.

 Now what in the mightys name has this got to do with what the OP has asked about internal cills . 

greenface2 said:

 ( been fitting windows for 37 years) .  

Well, we can only speculate how good you are in this, but there are many cowboys around and many victims complaining about walls cracking above replacement PVC windows installed without any lintels and about the window frames deformed.

I repeat to you . What in heavens name has this got to do with internal cills . The OP hasn't got any issues with cracking . lintles or the upvc windows that have been installed . Free bear was talking nothing about what the OP asked . He was pointing that old properties often never had full supporting weight baring lintles . Metal or stone , Remembering how long UPVC windows have been around (about 40 years) Most windows from Victorian times have often been replaced at least twice or more before upvc was brought out . 

FreeBear

greenface2 said:  What in heavens name has this got to do with internal cills . The OP hasn't got any issues with cracking . lintles or the upvc windows that have been installed . Free bear was talking nothing about what the OP asked . He was pointing that old properties often never had full supporting weight baring lintles . Metal or stone

If the fitters hadn't finished off the external cills as the OP had expected (perhaps a communications error or poorly specified job), what else might they have skimped on.

I raised the point about lintels so that the OP could check just in case there is an issue - Also provides information to the casual reader that might be thinking about replacement windows..

stuart45

To be fair to the window fitting trade they are much better than they used to be when plastic became popular in the 80's. I know a few chippies who got involved in it, but firms would take on anyone willing to use a lump hammer and a nail bar. The making good after was often the problem for someone not experienced in the wet trades.

grumbler

greenface2 said:

grumbler said:

greenface2 said:

FreeBear said:

kenneth77 said: (current frames are wood and tiled sills upstairs)

When they surveyed and measured up for the replacement windows, did they check for the presence of lintels ?

Old properties are notorious for using wood (or steel) frames to support the outer leaf of brickwork. When the frames are replaced with uPVC, without adequate support, the brickwork starts to collapse and cracks form. If you have a big lump of stone over the top of each window, no need for alarm.

 Now what in the mightys name has this got to do with what the OP has asked about internal cills . 

greenface2 said:

 ( been fitting windows for 37 years) .  

Well, we can only speculate how good you are in this, but there are many cowboys around and many victims complaining about walls cracking above replacement PVC windows installed without any lintels and about the window frames deformed.

The OP hasn't got any issues with cracking .

So, IF lintels were needed, but weren't installed, are you suggesting to wait until cracks appear while the company-installer disappears?

Remembering how long UPVC windows have been around (about 40 years) Most windows from Victorian times have often been replaced at least twice or more before upvc was brought out .

And your point is...? Wooden frames, original or replacement, can bear load - unlike UPVC.

greenface2

FreeBear said:

greenface2 said:  What in heavens name has this got to do with internal cills . The OP hasn't got any issues with cracking . lintles or the upvc windows that have been installed . Free bear was talking nothing about what the OP asked . He was pointing that old properties often never had full supporting weight baring lintles . Metal or stone

If the fitters hadn't finished off the external cills as the OP had expected (perhaps a communications error or poorly specified job), what else might they have skimped on.

I raised the point about lintels so that the OP could check just in case there is an issue - Also provides information to the casual reader that might be thinking about replacement windows..

Thanks for the update . OP check your garden for weeds too. Check your car screenwash and make sure your taps are not dripping . He was also asking about his internal cills which have nothing to do with window installation . Its a separate job agreed at the time, A job that can be done independently to any window installation . I'm done 

greenface2

grumbler said:

greenface2 said:

grumbler said:

greenface2 said:

FreeBear said:

kenneth77 said: (current frames are wood and tiled sills upstairs)

When they surveyed and measured up for the replacement windows, did they check for the presence of lintels ?

Old properties are notorious for using wood (or steel) frames to support the outer leaf of brickwork. When the frames are replaced with uPVC, without adequate support, the brickwork starts to collapse and cracks form. If you have a big lump of stone over the top of each window, no need for alarm.

 Now what in the mightys name has this got to do with what the OP has asked about internal cills . 

greenface2 said:

 ( been fitting windows for 37 years) .  

Well, we can only speculate how good you are in this, but there are many cowboys around and many victims complaining about walls cracking above replacement PVC windows installed without any lintels and about the window frames deformed.

The OP hasn't got any issues with cracking .

So, IF lintels were needed, but weren't installed, are you suggesting to wait until cracks appear while the company-installer disappears?

Remembering how long UPVC windows have been around (about 40 years) Most windows from Victorian times have often been replaced at least twice or more before upvc was brought out .

And your point is...? Wooden frames, original or replacement, can bear load - unlike UPVC.

OP how are your lintels ? 
Wooden frames original or replacement can bear load as good as UPVC depending on the product of both . A similar UPVC and timber frame fitted into a hole with dodgy support above . I know which I would sleep better under after 25 years  . 37 years fitting windows . 12 years independent certass regd surveyor ( 6 years fensa before)and  trading standards expert for the Glass and Glazing Federation North West providing written structural reports on new and old buildings due to installation of mainly "dodgy" fitters  , Also offer my knowledge to English Heritage & CADW mainly as support volunteer . Alongside owning my own double glazing company which has been doing fairly well when material arrive lately . If somebody contacted me about window cills being missed from a job I would look down not up . I'm also done here 
 

grumbler

greenface2 said:

grumbler said:

greenface2 said:

grumbler said:

greenface2 said:

FreeBear said:

kenneth77 said: (current frames are wood and tiled sills upstairs)

When they surveyed and measured up for the replacement windows, did they check for the presence of lintels ?

Old properties are notorious for using wood (or steel) frames to support the outer leaf of brickwork. When the frames are replaced with uPVC, without adequate support, the brickwork starts to collapse and cracks form. If you have a big lump of stone over the top of each window, no need for alarm.

 Now what in the mightys name has this got to do with what the OP has asked about internal cills . 

greenface2 said:

 ( been fitting windows for 37 years) .  

Well, we can only speculate how good you are in this, but there are many cowboys around and many victims complaining about walls cracking above replacement PVC windows installed without any lintels and about the window frames deformed.

The OP hasn't got any issues with cracking .

So, IF lintels were needed, but weren't installed, are you suggesting to wait until cracks appear while the company-installer disappears?

Remembering how long UPVC windows have been around (about 40 years) Most windows from Victorian times have often been replaced at least twice or more before upvc was brought out .

And your point is...? Wooden frames, original or replacement, can bear load - unlike UPVC.

Wooden frames original or replacement can bear load as good as UPVC depending on the product of both . A similar UPVC and timber frame fitted into a hole with dodgy support above . I know which I would sleep better under after 25 years  . 37 years fitting windows . 12 years independent certass regd surveyor ( 6 years fensa before)
 

FENSA (2013):

"Many properties were built with the original timber window supporting the brickwork above. So replacing it with modern PVC or Aluminium window frames compromises the carrying the load.

A soldier or head course of bricks above a window is not acting as a support unless it has been formed into an arch. A soldier course is usually decorative. These should be carefully examined and a plan to support it drawn up before any window below is replaced."