Neighbours planning rear dormer extension.

Slips36

Pic taken from my rear dormer. The neighbour planning to extend his rear dormer using that roof space.

HampshireH

Your post says you "think" he plans to extend his rear dormer, based on him standing in his garden with a builder. That's quite an assumption unless you heard the conversation?

Did you take this opportunity to speak to him about his tenants, or infact the letter you received and enquire as to what his plans now may be? 

Slips36

HampshireH said:

Your post says you "think" he plans to extend his rear dormer, based on him standing in his garden with a builder. That's quite an assumption unless you heard the conversation?

Did you take this opportunity to speak to him about his tenants, or infact the letter you received and enquire as to what his plans now may be? 

No unfortunately by the time I went outside he had gone. He was standing right back of his  garden and pointing towards the rear dormer. It’s clearly overdeveloped terraced house already with 7 tenants hmo. His planning permission for further rear extension towards the other neighbour side was declined because of loss of light and overbearing presence.

anselld

Slips36 said:

HampshireH said:

Your post says you "think" he plans to extend his rear dormer, based on him standing in his garden with a builder. That's quite an assumption unless you heard the conversation?

Did you take this opportunity to speak to him about his tenants, or infact the letter you received and enquire as to what his plans now may be? 

No unfortunately by the time I went outside he had gone. He was standing right back of his  garden and pointing towards the rear dormer. It’s clearly overdeveloped terraced house already with 7 tenants hmo. His planning permission for further rear extension towards the other neighbour side was declined because of loss of light and overbearing presence.

If it is a seven bed HMO then it should have had planning permission for change of use to Sui Generis since the maximum number of persons for a normal C4 HMO is six.  If it does not have such permission it is already in breach of planning.  However, if does have permission then you cannot say it is already over developed at least in the eyes of the planners.

Normally, a further loft extension would come under permitted development so long as the total (old plus new) volume does not exceed 40 cu m.  However, if it is a legal 7 bed HMO Sui Generis properties do not have permitted development rights.

So it looks like you would have recourse to planning either way.  Have you checked if the planning history to see if there was a Sui Generis application?

Slips36

anselld said:

Slips36 said:

HampshireH said:

Your post says you "think" he plans to extend his rear dormer, based on him standing in his garden with a builder. That's quite an assumption unless you heard the conversation?

Did you take this opportunity to speak to him about his tenants, or infact the letter you received and enquire as to what his plans now may be? 

No unfortunately by the time I went outside he had gone. He was standing right back of his  garden and pointing towards the rear dormer. It’s clearly overdeveloped terraced house already with 7 tenants hmo. His planning permission for further rear extension towards the other neighbour side was declined because of loss of light and overbearing presence.

If it is a seven bed HMO then it should have had planning permission for change of use to Sui Generis since the maximum number of persons for a normal C4 HMO is six.  If it does not have such permission it is already in breach of planning.  However, if does have permission then you cannot say it is already over developed at least in the eyes of the planners.

Normally, a further loft extension would come under permitted development so long as the total (old plus new) volume does not exceed 40 cu m.  However, if it is a legal 7 bed HMO Sui Generis properties do not have permitted development rights.

So it looks like you would have recourse to planning either way.  Have you checked if the planning history to see if there was a Sui Generis application?

Thanks for your reply. To be honest I’m fairly inexperienced with planning permission, I’ll look into Sui Generis.

ElizabethRose

How do you know work isn't required on the dormer which is why the builder was there? You obviously have a lot if issues with your neighbours but you're also jumping to conclusions. 

Slips36

ElizabethRose said:

How do you know work isn't required on the dormer which is why the builder was there? You obviously have a lot if issues with your neighbours but you're also jumping to conclusions. 

Fair point. The owner/LL already had approval for  prior permission for side rear extension declined. I’m fairly sure he is planning other way to extend the house and the rear dormer extension looks probable. He will require full planning permission because the existing rear dormer is over 40 cubic metres.
He is trying to cram more people in a traditional 3 bed terraced house. He is not bothered about quality of the tenants just how much money he can squeeze out of his houses.

ElizabethRose

Slips36 said:
I’m fairly sure he is planning other way to extend the house and the rear dormer extension looks probable. He will require full planning permission because the existing rear dormer is over 40 cubic metres.

He is trying to cram more people in a traditional 3 bed terraced house. He is not bothered about quality of the tenants just how much money he can squeeze out of his houses.

The thing is you don't know and if that is his plan he'll need to go for planning permission. If he does you'll need to make an objection but be realistic and not emotional. 

Slips36

ElizabethRose said:

Slips36 said:
I’m fairly sure he is planning other way to extend the house and the rear dormer extension looks probable. He will require full planning permission because the existing rear dormer is over 40 cubic metres.

He is trying to cram more people in a traditional 3 bed terraced house. He is not bothered about quality of the tenants just how much money he can squeeze out of his houses.

The thing is you don't know and if that is his plan he'll need to go for planning permission. If he does you'll need to make an objection but be realistic and not emotional. 

Thanks for your reply. 
I have looked up recent PP for the road and in October 2020, number 8 wanted to convert 3 bed to 4 bed hmo but was declined on the grounds that there are 47% hmos within 50 metres of the house which over exceeds council 25% hmos target. I don’t understand why my neighbour is allowed 7 bed hmos in a similar size house.

ElizabethRose

Slips36
I don’t understand why my neighbour is allowed 7 bed hmos in a similar size house.

Is it a 7 bed or 7 people living there?