Heat detector driving me mad

grumbler

Sotts said:

Rodders53 said:

Read the flippin manual - it tells you what to do, and any consequences (none, other than possibly slightly reduced fire safety)?
https://www.aico.co.uk/product/ei144rc-heat-alarm/ (Downloads Tab) Page 11 is how to remove it etc.,.

Ideally it needs relocating further from the cooker, probably.  THAT may need an electrician to do safely.

 Silly me why didn't i think of that.  Oh yes i did read it

The manual tells me how to change the battery not how to disconnect it.  Even if i remove the battery it still has mains.
I was asking if i can disconnect it without affecting the other alarms.

I'll contact an electrician. 

Page 11 of the manual, mentioned above, shows how to remove the unit from the mounting plate. Just do this  and remove the battery. As simple as that. No need in any electrician.

ETA. If the contacts remain exposed after removing the unit, you do have to remove the plate and terminate the wire. It's a simple DIY job, but you can contact an electrician should you need to.

I know about the 58 degrees.  Nothing in my kitchen generates that much heat.

Many devices generate much higher temperature.  It's just that air normally cools down before reaching the alarm.

Sotts said:

GDB2222 said:

I've had to relocate heat detectors installed in the wrong place by professionals. 

  Goodness knows why it's there with a smoke alarm 3 meters away 

Belts and braces.

Sotts

Apodemus said:

grumbler said:

Apodemus said:

According to the website, that alarm should trigger at 58C, so either it is faulty or you are getting serious heat at that point in your kitchen. 

58C is nowhere near 'serious heat', especially near a cooker or a toaster. In a dry sauna it's often more than 100C.

Well yes...but presumably the manufacturers have chosen that temperature as a suitable compromise between reasonably expected room temperatures and the sort of heat that potentially indicates the presence of a fire.  And I still think that a good starting point is to find out whether that sort of temperature is indeed being reached where the device is fitted, so that the best course of action can be determined - which might be using a detector with a higher threshold temperature, switching to a flash sensitive device, or re-locating the detector to a different part of the kitchen.

Thanks.  That temperature isn't being reached.  No idea as i said why they would put it above the oven when there are adequate smoke detectors around

coffeehound

Sotts said:

GDB2222 said:

I've had to relocate heat detectors installed in the wrong place by professionals. 

Thanks.  Goodness knows why it's there with a smoke alarm 3 meters away 

More likely to be the smoke alarm going off in the kitchen, surely?  That's why heat alarms are normally fitted in kitchens instead of smoke alarms

Sotts

coffeehound said:

Sotts said:

GDB2222 said:

I've had to relocate heat detectors installed in the wrong place by professionals. 

Thanks.  Goodness knows why it's there with a smoke alarm 3 meters away 

More likely to be the smoke alarm going off in the kitchen, surely?  That's why heat alarms are normally fitted in kitchens instead of smoke alarms

No its the heat alarm.   It goes off first then triggers all the others.  The smoke alarms are in the living room, hallway and bedrooms.   They go off about 5 seconds after the heat alarm.
There's no smoke, only heat.

I've contacted the manufacturer who has given me details of a local installer who can move it.  They say the builder has put it in the wrong place 

TELLIT01

Sotts said:

Rodders53 said:

Read the flippin manual - it tells you what to do, and any consequences (none, other than possibly slightly reduced fire safety)?
https://www.aico.co.uk/product/ei144rc-heat-alarm/ (Downloads Tab) Page 11 is how to remove it etc.,.

Ideally it needs relocating further from the cooker, probably.  THAT may need an electrician to do safely.

Read the flippin manual.  Silly me why didn't i think of that.  Oh yes i did read it
I know about the 58 degrees.  Nothing in my kitchen generates that much heat.
The manual tells me how to change the battery not how to disconnect it.  Even if i remove the battery it still has mains.
I was asking if i can disconnect it without affecting the other alarms.

I'll contact an electrician.  

Don't worry about responses like that Sotts.  There are always those who know everything so never need to ask questions - but assume everybody else is too thick to try to find solutions before asking questions.

coffeehound

Sotts said:
No its the heat alarm.   It goes off first then triggers all the others.  The smoke alarms are in the living room, hallway and bedrooms.   They go off about 5 seconds after the heat alarm.

There's no smoke, only heat.

Ah, apologies, I thought you meant the smoke alarm was also in the kitchen

fenwick458

why don't you just buy a new heat alarm and fit it yourself? you don't need to do any wiring, just unclip the old one (which must be faulty) and slide the new one onto the base
Video here showing how to remove one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aico-EI144-EI144rc-Smoke-Detector/dp/B003NW37H0
whats the expiry date on the side of it? (the faulty heat alarm)

Sotts

fenwick458 said:

why don't you just buy a new heat alarm and fit it yourself? you don't need to do any wiring, just unclip the old one (which must be faulty) and slide the new one onto the base
Video here showing how to remove one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Aico-EI144-EI144rc-Smoke-Detector/dp/B003NW37H0
whats the expiry date on the side of it? (the faulty heat alarm)

thanks - the expiry date is 2029.   It's a brand new detector, I'm in a new flat.  I've contacted the manufacturer as it's under a 10 year guarantee.  What might be seen as a simple electrical job so some may not be to another   As I said, i don't want to do anything to invalidate the warranty or to cause the other alarms to stop working.

Sotts

Thanks to those who have helped me.  I've removed the heat detector.  The smoke detectors seem to be ok.   So other then the cosmetics, is it ok to leave it like this ? 

fenwick458

apart from the fact that you don't have a heat detector in the kitchen now, yes it's fine to leave it like that
also if it says 2029 expiry its probably 2-3 years old, sometimes these things are faulty straight out of the box