Payment of CGT with no Gateway ID

Expatmichali

I hope this is the correct place to post! My husband and I are the joint leaseholders of a property which we plan to sell. It is not our home so we will have to pay Capital Gains Tax when it is sold. We submit our income tax returns annually using the paper form as my husband is not a British citizen and we have never been able to successfully verify  for online self assessment. The paper forms work well for us in these circumstances. However, having read the guidance for reporting and paying CGT, it appears you have to have a Gateway iD, which I have, and, of course my husband has not! The available paper form for CGT is for the tax year 2020-21 so is not appropriate. CGT has to be paid within 30days of the completion of the sale so we certainly cannot wait until the end of the next tax year if we sell within the next few months. How will we report and pay this assuming we do sell the property in the next few months? Can I pay it myself as I have a Gateway ID even though it is a jointly held property? Advice would be much appreciated. 

theartfullodger

There was something about this in Sunday Times. I'll hunt

Expatmichali

theartfullodger said:

There was something about this in Sunday Times. I'll hunt

Thank you! 

lr1277

As part of submitting tax returns, do you both have UTR’s? I got a UTR but can’t remember how. I suspect it is part of the submitting tax returns process.
i need my UTR and a debit card to pay on the self assessment site.
I googled ‘pay self assessment tax’ and a government site was listed along with links to paying by card or cheque. I clicked into this and there are options for those who have a UTR number and those that don’t. If paying by card, they do say allow 3 working days for the money to hit their account, though I imagine there are ways to pay by bank transfer. Then when you submit your return for the relevant tax year, you mention the capital gain and also the fact you have already paid in the relevant sections.

sheramber

You can contact HMRC.  Try a few minutes before  the official opening time as that often works to get through without a long wait.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs/contact/capital-gains-tax-enquiries-for-individuals-employees-and-self-employed

Expatmichali

Thank you for responding. Yes, we both have UTR's but when checking the gov site, it states you must have Gateway ID to pay CGT.  My husband cannot get one as all attempts to verify a non-UK citizen through the Post Office have failed. This seems so silly when he has been submitting tax returns for over 20 years! We will have to call HMRC and see how we can pay CGT when the time comes. As you now have only 30 days to report and pay once the sale has gone through, we are anxious to have all the necessary information before then. 

Expatmichali

sheramber said:

You can contact HMRC.  Try a few minutes before  the official opening time as that often works to get through without a long wait.

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs/contact/capital-gains-tax-enquiries-for-individuals-employees-and-self-employed

Thanks! That is what we will do! 

lr1277

Hmm was surprised by your statement so took some of the steps myself.
Googled ‘pay self assessment tax’
In the results chose ‘Pay your self assessment tax bill’ (1st item on the results page)
Clicked on the green button labelled’Pay self assessment now’

Next page says ‘Do you want to sign into your tax account’ I chose the No option and then pressed continue.
The next web page offered ways to pay like bank transfer, direct debit and paying by card.
i chose pay by card and clicked continue.
I then read another web page about card fees and clicked continue.
On the next page I was asked to enter my UTR number.
I didn’t take it any further.
Would these steps not work in your situation?

lr1277

I suspect though am not sure, but you can pay by bank transfer once you have the correct account number and sort code. You would use the UTR as the reference. But this is speculation as I have never done it this way myself.

Expatmichali

Thanks! That might work for the actual payment but we would have had to submit the information on our gains  to HMRC previously for them to assess what we owe. Therein lies the problem. 

Speedbird676

lr1277 said:

Hmm was surprised by your statement so took some of the steps myself.
Googled ‘pay self assessment tax’
In the results chose ‘Pay your self assessment tax bill’ (1st item on the results page)
Clicked on the green button labelled’Pay self assessment now’

Next page says ‘Do you want to sign into your tax account’ I chose the No option and then pressed continue.
The next web page offered ways to pay like bank transfer, direct debit and paying by card.
i chose pay by card and clicked continue.
I then read another web page about card fees and clicked continue.
On the next page I was asked to enter my UTR number.
I didn’t take it any further.
Would these steps not work in your situation?

There is an additional return to do, within 30 days of the completion of the sale, before paying the tax due. It appears the only way to do that is by having a Government Gateway login.

https://www.gov.uk/capital-gains-tax/report-and-pay-capital-gains-tax