Concerned at mixing after only 1st jab

Tokmon

Vegastare said:

My MIL is or was in support bubble with me and hubby.  All three of us have been and do remain careful - but Mother in law had final vaccine and asked nurse if she was ok to resume going out.
To which the nurse suggested she go to a large clothing outlet that is near by - saying it will do you good. So that is exactly what she has done, she went on Friday and she is on her way there again today for another look around.
I do not want to stop her pleasure goodness know she needs it but is she putting the likes of my husband and I at risk, we don't get our second vaccines till mid May and MIL is expecting to stay this weekend. 

If it was  in the garden with social distancing that would be fine - but it is not.  I really do not know how to deal with this - I am anxious at the best of times but this is really worrying me.

So you or your husband aren't going out anywhere at all? What's the point in life if your just going to live in fear of going out anywhere or doing anything? 

Going shopping when the appropriate precautions are taken poses a very low risk especially when vaccinated.

macman said:

gettingtheresometime said:

OP

Which one did you have ? I'm only asking as the experts, and not Dot from down the road or on social media, have stated that the effectiveness is quite high even after having the first dose - eg Pfzir has been reported as 85% effective after the 1st dose.

It's irrelevant. MIL will either contract it, or she won't. and the OP will potentially be infected, or she won't. You can't be 85% infected. 

What a silly thing to say. Of course the effectiveness of the vaccine is relevant because 85% effective means that when you consider all the other precautions in place and that her MIL has had both doses that there is a very low risk of her staying over to the OP and her husband.

If the vaccine was only 10% effective for example then there would be a slightly higher risk to them due to the much higher probability of their vaccine not protecting them.

But using your logic there would be no difference based on the vaccine efficacy which obviously is wrong.

Vegastare

Thank you for all your responses - I was concerned I may have some dreadful replies but I really was very concerned and hoped I could get some clarity and also dismiss my fears, thank you for supplying this to me.

I feel the fear for me was around MIL and her new eager independence (goodness knows I understand this) but also she has a naivety even before covid and I can be assured she wears a mask, but social distancing and cleaning hands might go amiss at times - but I have to weigh this up with the joy she is feeling.

Yes OH and I go to the shops early and I believe we take care of ourselves, but there is a third person who may be a weaker link - I can either just lump it or say something.  For now it's sitting in the garden and lots of air circulating when inside, just to put me at ease if nothing else.

pjcox2005

I think this shows how hard it will be for many people to come out of lockdown. All three have had first vaccinations, one with both vaccinations, limited travel out with standard social distancing and still extremely concerned about Covid risk. 

I know this sounds harsh but I think it also shows a lack of risk understanding and context on Covid which is not surprising given it's dominated our world for the last 15 months. I expect your trip out to the shops is more likely to lead to an accident than MIL transmitting Covid.

Tokmon

pjcox2005 said:

I think this shows how hard it will be for many people to come out of lockdown. All three have had first vaccinations, one with both vaccinations, limited travel out with standard social distancing and still extremely concerned about Covid risk. 

I know this sounds harsh but I think it also shows a lack of risk understanding and context on Covid which is not surprising given it's dominated our world for the last 15 months. I expect your trip out to the shops is more likely to lead to an accident than MIL transmitting Covid.

It does seem to be down to a complete lack of understanding of the Covid situation and how good the vaccines actually are. The OP is at a much lower risk of dying from Covid now with the current restrictions and vaccines than the Flu in years previous to 2020 yet people weren't in their homes covering in fear of the Flu.  

In all the trials of the Covid vaccines we have in the UK not one person died or was even hospitalised after having the vaccines. So they are far more effective than any Flu vaccines has ever been.

pjcox2005

Tokmon said:

pjcox2005 said:

I think this shows how hard it will be for many people to come out of lockdown. All three have had first vaccinations, one with both vaccinations, limited travel out with standard social distancing and still extremely concerned about Covid risk. 

I know this sounds harsh but I think it also shows a lack of risk understanding and context on Covid which is not surprising given it's dominated our world for the last 15 months. I expect your trip out to the shops is more likely to lead to an accident than MIL transmitting Covid.

It does seem to be down to a complete lack of understanding of the Covid situation and how good the vaccines actually are. The OP is at a much lower risk of dying from Covid now with the current restrictions and vaccines than the Flu in years previous to 2020 yet people weren't in their homes covering in fear of the Flu.  

In all the trials of the Covid vaccines we have in the UK not one person died or was even hospitalised after having the vaccines. So they are far more effective than any Flu vaccines has ever been.

I know and I don't mean it as any disrespect to the OP who is clearly concerned, but you just look through it:

- In my area which is a large town, 21 cases per 100k being reported. So chances of MIL even meeting someone with Covid is extremely small.
- Face masks, hand sanitizer and social distancing (even if lapsing slightly) means chances of transmission are very small.
- Both vaccinations have been shown to limit the chances of catching and passing it on so MIL would be relatively low risk even close to someone with Covid so risk significantly reduced.
- If MIL were to catch it, then chances of passing to household is obviously higher if sharing a home but can still be mitigated with ventilation & some social distancing. Families have had Covid, living together and still some don't catch it in the household.
- Both other household members have been vaccinated so even if they did catch it then the risk of serious illness has substantially dropped (appreciated asthma concern) as you say given effectiveness of vaccine even after 1 shot. There development has been fairly stunning - amazing work by scientists around the world.

Covid still has to be taken seriously (I lost a friend at the start of the pandemic so not oblivious or thinking it's not a serious point), but we really are in a good place so I'm trying to highlight that be cautious (pragmatic may be a better word) but if you can then try not to get anxious to a level where it is detrimental to you OP.

od244051

I am asthmatic, one of the several million of asthmatics that the JCVI removed from group 6 from covid vaccine programme. As JCVI used criteria for deaths. not long term implications. Asthmatics are more prone to long covid etc. Though my GP moved me back into group 6 after writing to them mentioning that I am a full time key worker (essential retail worker).

I have to deal with customers under 30 coming into my work, who 'claim' to be exempt from wearing face masks- they are actually covid deniers as should hear what tripe they talk about. I live near one of these deniers who has 'Covid is bogus' sign on her door. Then I saw one of these young women at my doctors, wearing a mask. The doctors do let exempt patients not to wear masks/coverings as in the same waiting area at the same time as myself and woman, was a man with nasal cannula to oxygen. If she can wear a  mask at doctors, she can wear one when visiting the shops. 

Think I came down with covid  a few days before the first lockdown. Had the symptoms - not the lost of taste. At the time, there were no test centres for 40 odd miles and no home test kits. Had no energy to hold a pen, let alone drive 80-85 mile round trip. Since then have been on stronger meds for asthma. 

Vegastare

I certainly do not have a complete lack of understanding of covid or the vaccines, what I do have his the knowledge that some on here are get  insulting and as so many times on here the nasties insult those who seek advice - wrong of me to post in the first place.

I I have lost to covid and I will add nothing more.

If you can't take the heat stay away from the fire.  So I will.

pjcox2005

Vegastare said:

I certainly do not have a complete lack of understanding of covid or the vaccines, what I do have his the knowledge that some on here are get  insulting and as so many times on here the nasties insult those who seek advice - wrong of me to post in the first place.

I I have lost to covid and I will add nothing more.

If you can't take the heat stay away from the fire.  So I will.

Apologies if you considered my post insulting, I think I stated quite a few times I understood why you’d be concerned. It was more to show that there was perhaps a different way to consider the risk of your MIL going out.

All the best for however you decided to deal with it.

Torry_Quine

Vegastare said:

I certainly do not have a complete lack of understanding of covid or the vaccines, what I do have his the knowledge that some on here are get  insulting and as so many times on here the nasties insult those who seek advice - wrong of me to post in the first place.

I I have lost to covid and I will add nothing more.

If you can't take the heat stay away from the fire.  So I will.

I'm sorry that some replies appear harsh. We all have s level of interaction that we feel comfortable with. Just because we can doesn't mean you have to. I hope that you manage to find the level you're comfortable

Tokmon

Vegastare said:

I certainly do not have a complete lack of understanding of covid or the vaccines, what I do have his the knowledge that some on here are get  insulting and as so many times on here the nasties insult those who seek advice - wrong of me to post in the first place.

I I have lost to covid and I will add nothing more.

If you can't take the heat stay away from the fire.  So I will.

That is no reason to live in fear when you consider where we are currently. 

I may sound harsh but I'm just laying out the facts of the matter of why you don't need to live in fear. I hate to see how people are scared to leave their home when in reality the risk is very low as i explained.