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Bay window subsidence?

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  • uneverknow
    uneverknow Posts: 13 Forumite
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    edited 27 April 2021 at 2:14PM
    2019, and that's what it overall looks like now as well (only the current google image resolution doesn't show the cracks I posted in the thread earlier)
  • AdrianC
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    So that narrows down the facelift to 2012-2019, and it doesn't look fresh-fresh. So probably 2018, which'd mean it's had three years for the cracking to reappear.
  • uneverknow
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    I've also just checked Fensa public records, 6 new windows installed in 2015 (the forensic effort going on here!:) Wonder if that's the time of the facelift then too. And so that would mean that the movement is ongoing if I'm reading it all correctly?
  • stuart45
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    When you mix timber frame and masonry together you often get cracking at the joins at the 2 materials move differently with the seasons. This was a common problems with cross wall construction houses. 
    In between the lower and upper bay is probably timber frame as is the cross gable above it. 
    You also find that where the timber frame is fixed to the masonry it can move as the fixings deteriorate. 
    Looks like the original render was either Tyrolean or Roughcast and they have smooth rendered over the top. You often find the new render will crack in places when this is done.
  • JJR45
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    I would still bet the wrong window was fitted downstairs from the photos. The internal images seem to indicate a fair movement.
  • stuart45
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    JJR45 said:
    I would still bet the wrong window was fitted downstairs from the photos. The internal images seem to indicate a fair movement.
    I've seen a lot on timber framed bay structures.
  • JJR45
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    stuart45 said:
    JJR45 said:
    I would still bet the wrong window was fitted downstairs from the photos. The internal images seem to indicate a fair movement.
    I've seen a lot on timber framed bay structures.
    You may have, but the numerous repairs and big chuck missing seems to indicate more than shrinkage.

  • stuart45
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    JJR45 said:
    stuart45 said:
    JJR45 said:
    I would still bet the wrong window was fitted downstairs from the photos. The internal images seem to indicate a fair movement.
    I've seen a lot on timber framed bay structures.
    You may have, but the numerous repairs and big chuck missing seems to indicate more than shrinkage.

    That's all quite common on these type of properties. When the upper bay is constructed from masonry there is more of a problem when the window below is replaced. With a timber frame it's not such a problem.
  • JJR45
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    stuart45 said:
    JJR45 said:
    stuart45 said:
    JJR45 said:
    I would still bet the wrong window was fitted downstairs from the photos. The internal images seem to indicate a fair movement.
    I've seen a lot on timber framed bay structures.
    You may have, but the numerous repairs and big chuck missing seems to indicate more than shrinkage.

    That's all quite common on these type of properties. When the upper bay is constructed from masonry there is more of a problem when the window below is replaced. With a timber frame it's not such a problem.
    That is why I bet the wrong type of window has been fitted downstairs?
  • stuart45
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    The cracking happens before the windows have been replaced as well as after. 
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