Bullying at work during probationary

Thrugelmir

Helpme88xxxx said:

My main obvious concern is the bullying. I’m in my probation and I was reminded yesterday I don’t have much rights.  

Find your inner strength and fight back with sheer professionalism. As you've nothing to lose. If you've been a manager in a previous role then you've no doubt had to deal with all sorts of people in your team. I always found that a few carefully selected words can make even the worst bigots look extremely small in front of other people. You may be surprised by the subsequent level of support you receive from those around you. I'd say that the "bully" feels threatened by you. You are getting under their skin. 

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And do you not look at previous posts? It's amazing if you are the 'right' poster to never have any previous threads looked into.....

I mean anyone who read what I posted in December 2020 *if* I was the OP would be flogging me or been a little disbelieving.  
But no! lets lap it up.

Just how I feel....

Sure we can all come and post one event.. To many a post one dramatic scene and run, but, still have MSE hooked. Of course.

Perhaps a solution is that OP asks Employer of December 2020 to take them back...

Perhaps it is all in the first post, to hook some in. Write that well and......

It is bad enough seeing banana's of apparent aged 71 saying an Employment tribunal is a bed of roses with absolutely no come back/no career limited/not causing career suicide.
Last year applying to 3 companies as the job applicant, I can across such cases flogged under E.T mostly for unlawful deduction of wages but still - I would be at a loss to explain how I felt when I came across pure public information on the rise.....

lincroft1710

justworriedabit said:

lincroft1710 said:

justworriedabit said:

JCS1 said:

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

best route is imo out of court offer by management but op will need to sign a non disclosure agreement. Op imo has a good cause but it is going to be hard and will wear anyone out.


Btw OP, these types are good at making the victim feel guilty - they may be ok with that kind of behaviour buy you, me and other good people are not and nor is the law.

Take care

The OP has only been there 7 weeks so why would the employer offer an out of court settlement?

Are you being serious. Did you not read the OP's initial post here. Did you you not grasp the clear cut sexual harassment?
I am staggered and at the same time saddened that someone like you has not recognised that with the thousands of posts you've made and still no see what is right in front of you.

Actually if you are suggesting the OP brings a case of sexual or sex-related harassment to an Employment Tribunal I completely disagree with your advice about OOC settlement. This is an instance where if such a case is brought, it should be followed through to a hearing, otherwise the perpetrator will get away with it and continue being obnoxious..

JCS1

justworriedabit said:

lincroft1710 said:

justworriedabit said:

JCS1 said:

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

best route is imo out of court offer by management but op will need to sign a non disclosure agreement. Op imo has a good cause but it is going to be hard and will wear anyone out.


Btw OP, these types are good at making the victim feel guilty - they may be ok with that kind of behaviour buy you, me and other good people are not and nor is the law.

Take care

The OP has only been there 7 weeks so why would the employer offer an out of court settlement?

Are you being serious. Did you not read the OP's initial post here. Did you you not grasp the clear cut sexual harassment?
I am staggered and at the same time saddened that someone like you has not recognised that with the thousands of posts you've made and still no see what is right in front of you.

And with under 2 years service, the OP cannot take her employer to tribunal with limited exceptions.  I pointed this out a few days ago.

JCS1

See justworriedabit has been banned from posting.

Thrugelmir

JCS1 said:

See justworriedabit has been banned from posting.

Reincarnation of a previously banned forumite. 

JCS1

Thrugelmir said:

JCS1 said:

See justworriedabit has been banned from posting.

Reincarnation of a previously banned forumite. 

And no doubt will be back under a new name........

Indigo_and_Violet

I'm sorry you're having such a tough time. 

If you did want to go down the tribunal route, there is some good info here: https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/leaving-a-job/dismissal/claiming-constructive-dismissal/

Given that bullying at work could be considered a health and safety issue and sexist bullying could be seen as sex discrimination you might be able to claim under the 'automatically unfair/discrimination' provision even though you've been there less than 2 years, but some professional advice would definitely be useful. 

I definitely think its worth looking for another job if you can. I've employed people before who've had a similar length of time in a role and I never held it against them if they just said 'job wasn't as I expected'. Do 'well enough' at your current job but don't give it your heart and soul - save some energy for applying elsewhere. 

If you do decide to stay you need a good support network around you. I think you said you'd been cabin crew. Put your best 'difficult customer' face on. Be as professional as possible. You are not the problem, he is the problem. He is behaving like a petulant child and deserves as little attention as a toddler having a tantrum. Collect your evidence. Depending on how brave you are feeling in meetings you can always ask him to repeat himself. In the group chat, assuming it is a formal work group then have a standard reply to inappropriate comments 'John, this is a work group - please keep your comments professional'. If its an informal group then leave - you need no more interaction with this man than you need for work. 

Good luck!

74jax

JCS1 said:

See justworriedabit has been banned from posting.

Ive has to block /ignore so many aliases of them it's ridiculous 🙄

thebrexitunicorn

JCS1 said:

justworriedabit said:

lincroft1710 said:

justworriedabit said:

JCS1 said:

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

best route is imo out of court offer by management but op will need to sign a non disclosure agreement. Op imo has a good cause but it is going to be hard and will wear anyone out.


Btw OP, these types are good at making the victim feel guilty - they may be ok with that kind of behaviour buy you, me and other good people are not and nor is the law.

Take care

The OP has only been there 7 weeks so why would the employer offer an out of court settlement?

Are you being serious. Did you not read the OP's initial post here. Did you you not grasp the clear cut sexual harassment?
I am staggered and at the same time saddened that someone like you has not recognised that with the thousands of posts you've made and still no see what is right in front of you.

And with under 2 years service, the OP cannot take her employer to tribunal with limited exceptions.  I pointed this out a few days ago.

There is no length of service requirement for a complaint of sexual harassment or discrimination.  And this sounds very much like harassment.  

The two years that you keep referring to is for unfair dismissal and even then there are some exceptions. 

 

Many other claims e.wages, breach of contract, holiday pay, do not require two years service.