Bullying at work during probationary

gettingtheresometime

Savvy_Sue said:

If you're in a trade union, you could also them for support. 

And if you're not then I'd consider joining one

Savvy_Sue

gettingtheresometime said:

Savvy_Sue said:

If you're in a trade union, you could also them for support. 

And if you're not then I'd consider joining one

Yes, they might give general advice immediately (and likely to be better than ACAS) but wouldn't provide representation until a short period of time after joining. 

JCS1

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

justworriedabit

Hi OP

I'm sure you will read.

It depends on if the co is large, family business that have employed people for years along with their own and other employees family etc ie close knit and so-called 'set in their ways.'

Document everything.
As you are new and people may not want to support you for fear of sack etc, take an advocate to meetings re this.
If you leave, don't just leave, but erite a detailed account, factual that can be backed up, collaborated with evidence why you left.

Be aware they may sack you and set you up for this

Consult ACAS ASAP for guidance, etc and when you leave or pushed/sacked, consult ACAS again and with an advocate, possibly consult a solicitor, request damages for unfair and or constructive dismissal or  leaving due to harassment, sexual harassment etc and your postion was made untenable.

its going to be hard, but trust me, with the guidance of an advocate, ACAS etc, if they feel you have a leg to stand on and pursue your case, do so, you own it to yourself.  Caution advised, you could lose your case but more often than not where people have been treated like you and you have some evidence re meetings, who said, di what, often settled out of court sub several k's.


You know this, its not easy, it will impact on your health but it should make you a stronger person and one that will defend others when you see them being mistreated like you have been.

IMHO, you will soon be marginalised, seen as a trouble maker, and fired  - constructive dismissal looks likely but be prepared to be seriously humilated by being marched out of the office on fabricated eviddnece and then bad mouthed. If you are really lucky, you may meet an HR person, union rep and a co-worker you may get the right support from but your wirte up is indication at best constructive dismissal.

Speak with ACAS Monday and let us know how you got on.

justworriedabit

JCS1 said:

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

best route is imo out of court offer by management but op will need to sign a non disclosure agreement. Op imo has a good cause but it is going to be hard and will wear anyone out.


Btw OP, these types are good at making the victim feel guilty - they may be ok with that kind of behaviour buy you, me and other good people are not and nor is the law.

Take care

JCS1

justworriedabit said:

JCS1 said:

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

best route is imo out of court offer by management but op will need to sign a non disclosure agreement. Op imo has a good cause but it is going to be hard and will wear anyone out.


Btw OP, these types are good at making the victim feel guilty - they may be ok with that kind of behaviour buy you, me and other good people are not and nor is the law.

Take care

It is also the law that with under 2 years service you cannot (with certain exceptions) the you cannot take your employer to.tribunal.

That means there is no case.

gettingtheresometime

OP

this may sound blunt (& I'm certainly not kicking you whilst you're down) but you can either be the victim or you can stand up to this bully.

it sounds as if it's not you personally he's bullying you but bullying everyone. So would others be prepared to help you ? I don't mean get physically or shouty with him but as an example when he made the comment about the door reply with it might be an idea to have a group training session & could he arrange it? As my mum would say kill him with kindness.

if you're not already keep a dairy of events & never never let it out of your sight. Always take it home with you. It might be an idea for the others to keep one as well.

You say it's a new company...how long as it been running? Remember it's in the bosses interests to retain as many competent staff as possible & unless this guy has unique talents that no one else has, it will be easier & a lot less hassle to get rid of him than replace everyone who leaves because of him
 

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gettingtheresometime said:

Remember it's in the bosses interests to retain as many competent staff as possible & unless this guy has unique talents that no one else has, it will be easier & a lot less hassle to get rid of him than replace everyone who leaves because of him
 

You would think so, but in a couple of jobs I've had, I've seen many a competent people leave because of a well-known bully who'd been there for years. Management knew about the bully, because of complaints, but chose to do nothing but promote the bully, even though they were losing great talent....weak management and strange way of working.

lincroft1710

justworriedabit said:

JCS1 said:

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

best route is imo out of court offer by management but op will need to sign a non disclosure agreement. Op imo has a good cause but it is going to be hard and will wear anyone out.


Btw OP, these types are good at making the victim feel guilty - they may be ok with that kind of behaviour buy you, me and other good people are not and nor is the law.

Take care

The OP has only been there 7 weeks so why would the employer offer an out of court settlement?

justworriedabit

lincroft1710 said:

justworriedabit said:

JCS1 said:

MalMonroe said:

Hi, I am really sorry that you are suffering like this. I think many of us have had similar dreadful work experiences, I know I have. Just be assured that it isn't you, it's them. (An old cliche, sorry but it's true.)

In the first instance what I would do (and have done in the past) is contact Acas. Link here -

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

If you do decide to leave (I'm not recommending that but your position appears to be intolerable) then please don't go quietly. Do discuss with Acas but I'd definitely want to take this disgraceful shower to an Employment Tribunal. Especially as you have a lot of evidence of the bullying that's been going on. It doesn't cost anything but it will cause this company an awful lot of trouble and expense.

The fact that management are allowing someone in their employ to bully another employee will not go down well at Tribunal. 

You may have been told that you don't have many rights but you DO have the right to be treated with respect and to not be bullied or harassed in your workplace. 

You DO have the right to contact Acas and discuss your position. Please do it. This company must do more than "work on it" they have to take some positive action. Don't let this horrible situation make you ill. Let the company know that if they aren't prepared to do anything, you are. With Acas support, that is.

I do wish you all the very best, whatever happens. 

With under 2 years service, there a limited reasons the OP could take the employer to.a tribunal. At this time of the night, i can't remember the exceptions but this would need checking first

best route is imo out of court offer by management but op will need to sign a non disclosure agreement. Op imo has a good cause but it is going to be hard and will wear anyone out.


Btw OP, these types are good at making the victim feel guilty - they may be ok with that kind of behaviour buy you, me and other good people are not and nor is the law.

Take care

The OP has only been there 7 weeks so why would the employer offer an out of court settlement?

Are you being serious. Did you not read the OP's initial post here. Did you you not grasp the clear cut sexual harassment?
I am staggered and at the same time saddened that someone like you has not recognised that with the thousands of posts you've made and still no see what is right in front of you.