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Jonty6262

In terms of lifetime earning potential, due to the shorter training periods, Dentists earn more in the UK than Doctors.

• NHS dentists make between £38K to 110K depending on where they work.
• Private dentists can make £130K per year.

welshdent

Jonty6262 said:

In terms of lifetime earning potential, due to the shorter training periods, Dentists earn more in the UK than Doctors.

• NHS dentists make between £38K to 110K depending on where they work.
• Private dentists can make £130K per year.

Really?

Average combined GP earnings are over £100K
Average dentist earnings £79500

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/gp-earnings-and-expenses-estimates/2020-21

https://uk.indeed.com/career/dentist/salaries

Dentist earnings are directly related to how much work they do not particularly where they are although individual practices are paid differently for the same work. That isn't geographical thats based on historic activity in the year proceeding the new contract in 2006.

I also do not believe doctors are subject to financial clawbacks. 

Training times are largely irrelevant for generalists. the basic undergrad training is the same duration. There is a salaried training year post qualification which can be extended to 2 years but typically new dentists are not able to work at higher volumes so earnings would not be too dissimilar to incremental salary increases to junior doctors. The GP training salary is £49000 PA for the 3 years training.

 https://www.bmj.com/careers/article/how-much-do-doctors-really-earn-#:~:text=Fully trained salaried GPs earn,52,036 in later specialist training.

Jonty6262

Salaried dentists 

Salaried dentists employed by the NHS, working mainly with community dental services, earn a basic salary of between £47,653 and £101,923.(source NHS) 

Jonty6262

Under freedom of information laws, the NHS Business Services Authority was asked about the pensionable pay of dentists who do NHS work. In 2012/13, the latest figures available, five practitioners were paid more than £500,000.

They shared a total of about £3.4million – an average of £690,000. This comes on top of any money they take from treating patients privately. Another 11 earned £400,000 to £499,999 from the NHS, 30 received £300,000 to £399,999, 131 pocketed £200,000 to £299,999 and 1,617 received £100,000 to £199,999.

welshdent

Dentists in general practice are not salaried. 

welshdent

heavens forbid highly trained professionals are remunerated for their efforts eh? Or can they only be remunerated to a level acceptable to you? I do not recognise your figures. I know of no dentists personally "earning" nearly half a mil. although given there are only 5 stated in the entire of the UK that is hardly surprising. I suspect you do not understand how dentistry is funded in the UK and just looking at headline figures. 

brook2jack2

So the figures are 10 years out of date , but all of these top earners were orthodontists running multiple practices. The top earner had 10 practices if I remember correctly. So these figures would be including the pay for the orthodontic therapists etc in the practices. 

As we know the average UDA value at that time was around £21 which makes around an earning of £690,000 around 33,000 UDAs. In practice the average dentist will be able to produce 5000 to 8000 UDA in a year (8000 only if in a low needs area and an experienced practitioner. ) To clarify it would mean a dentist working 365 days a year doing 99 check ups a day ! 

So these figures are not what an individual dentist can earn on the NHS , but what an orthodontist practice owner with multiple practices earns a large proportion of which will be used to pay the therapists who are employed by them. 

To put into context when I was a solely NHS dentist I never earned enough to pay higher rate tax and neither did most of my associate colleagues (non practice owning). Over 80% of all dentists are not practice owners. 

welshdent

brook2jack2 said:

So the figures are 10 years out of date , but all of these top earners were orthodontists running multiple practices. The top earner had 10 practices if I remember correctly. So these figures would be including the pay for the orthodontic therapists etc in the practices. 

As we know the average UDA value at that time was around £21 which makes around an earning of £690,000 around 33,000 UDAs. In practice the average dentist will be able to produce 5000 to 8000 UDA in a year (8000 only if in a low needs area and an experienced practitioner. ) 

So these figures are not what an individual dentist can earn on the NHS , but what an orthodontist practice owner with multiple practices earns a large proportion of which will be used to pay the therapists who are employed by them. 

To put into context when I was a solely NHS dentist I never earned enough to pay higher rate tax and neither did most of my associate colleagues (non practice owning). Over 80% of all dentists are not practice owners. 

Not only that. We had a 30% earnings drop over 10 years!

Jonty6262

They could always claim universal credit

Spoonie_Turtle

Jonty6262 said:

They could always claim universal credit

Well there's an ignorant comment if ever I saw one.