Victory for Motorists: MHCLG Caps Parking Charges at £50 (£80 in London) with Mandatory 50% Discount

Snakes_Belly

The PPC's are coming under fire from a number of threats to their business model.

• The CoP which is much fairer for the motorist and on parity with LA's which it should be.
•  Buying habits as the high street is in decline as people buy more online.
• Covid which has impacted on travel, accelerated the decline of the high street with more people buying online including groceries.
• Climate change. This is a target for the Government and LA's and some towns are looking to introduce car free town centres. There may be an increase in park and ride but hopefully these will be run by the LA.

forgotmyname

At the £25 level if paid with xx days I wonder if the PPC's will actually make more money?

How many are likely to just pay the £25 rather than waste time and effort fighting it?  It amuses me when they moan
about the declining trade in local town centres etc.
Have they actually tried parking in one?  Its either expensive or inconvenient with 30 minutes maximum. You don't need
a 30 minute zone to prevent all day parking.

Years back the local Co-Op started charging £2 or £3 to park where you had to spend £5 to reclaim it at the till, I used
to pop in on the way home to pickup a loaf most of the time or a loaf and some milk. It rarely came to £3 so I simply
stopped shopping there.

Coupon-mad

The 'debt recovery' proposals in the new August 2021 consultation are naive, sadly. 

No additional safeguards whatsoever that don't already exist and a proposed statutory nod to allow an added £70 sum that courts are routinely disallowing.  Effectively this would cement an untouchable extortionate penalty model.

This will be worse than clamping ever was.  This is a real threat now.  This is not the Knight Act any more, this is the APAs lobbying to get what they want, behind everyone's backs since March, and telling the Government and MoJ that their (paying member) debt recovery and roboclaim solicitor firms actually serve a purpose to reduce court claims. 

The opposite is true!  

Unless the MHLCG listen to the public about this appalling proposal, we can expect to see millions more court cases lined up, Scotland too. 

I hope Ministers see sense.

Please comment on the government consultation concerning parking charges and complain to your MP about the proposal to allow fake add on debt recovery costs.

Government Consultation re private parking charge levels, August 2021: PLEASE BOOKMARK THIS THREAD — MoneySavingExpert Forum

We are calling for everyone to do a full and robust response by email to the MHCLG, attaching evidence of what happened to you and what you think is wrong about £100 charges and fake debt recovery ‘fees’ that no PPC actually incurs or pays. 

We also need people to contact their MP to ask questions about why the MHCLG appear to have performed a U-turn on their March promise to cap parking charges, and why instead they propose to fund the race to court at £70 a time from victims

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/78517562/#Comment_78517562

To anyone reading this: PLEASE DO THIS IF YOU WANT CONSUMER VOICES TO OUTWEIGH THE PARKING INDUSTRY’S GREED. WHICH SEES THEM TRY TO CLAIM MORE THAN THE LAW ALLOWS, FROM A REGISTERED KEEPER,

I just looked at the POFA Explanatory Notes (part of the legislation):

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/notes/division/5/1/3/3

221.Paragraph 4 provides that the creditor has a right to recover unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the relevant vehicle if the conditions set out in paragraphs 5, 6, 11 and 12 are satisfied. The creditor is not obliged to pursue unpaid parking charges through this scheme and may seek to do so through other means but they may not use the scheme provided for here to secure double recovery of unpaid parking charges (paragraph 4(6)), nor will they have the right to pursue the keeper, as opposed to the driver, of the vehicle where they have sufficient details of the driver’s identity. The right to reclaim unpaid parking charges from the vehicle keeper does not apply in cases where the vehicle has been stolen before it was parked, (paragraphs 4(2) to (3)), or in certain circumstances where the vehicle in question was a hire vehicle (paragraph 4(7)). The creditor may not make a claim against the keeper of a vehicle for more than the amount of the unpaid parking related charges as they stood when the notice to the driver was issued (paragraph 4(5)).

AnotherForumite

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2022/january/tfl-set-to-increase-fines-for-contraventions-on-london-s-red-routes

A move in the right direction.

pogofish

AnotherForumite said:

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2022/january/tfl-set-to-increase-fines-for-contraventions-on-london-s-red-routes

A move in the right direction.

What has this got to do with private parking?

patient_dream

pogofish said:

AnotherForumite said:

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2022/january/tfl-set-to-increase-fines-for-contraventions-on-london-s-red-routes

A move in the right direction.

What has this got to do with private parking?

HA ... NOTHING

Just sad old TFL trying to turn London into a ghost town

They say .... and I bet the BPA try a similar move, just changung the wording ?

• Parking illegally in loading bays      
• Blocking yellow box junctions 
• Making a turn where this movement is banned, which creates risk for people walking and cycling     
• Driving or parking in a bus lane      
• Stopping on the red route  

95Rollers

forgotmyname said:

At the £25 level if paid with xx days I wonder if the PPC's will actually make more money?

How many are likely to just pay the £25 rather than waste time and effort fighting it?  It amuses me when they moan
about the declining trade in local town centres etc.
Have they actually tried parking in one?  Its either expensive or inconvenient with 30 minutes maximum. You don't need
a 30 minute zone to prevent all day parking.

Years back the local Co-Op started charging £2 or £3 to park where you had to spend £5 to reclaim it at the till, I used
to pop in on the way home to pickup a loaf most of the time or a loaf and some milk. It rarely came to £3 so I simply
stopped shopping there.

A local Asda has a set up like this. You have to spend a fiver or it's £2 or £3 to park.  I always go into the shop and find something- even if It's not essentials, i'd just do my weekly shopping in small chunks on each day. If I didn't spend that £25 to Asda in exchange for goods I need and want - I'd just be paying £15 to Horizons with nothing tangible to show for it. It was still reasonably priced. But it made more sense to benefit myself.

95Rollers

patient_dream said:

pogofish said:

AnotherForumite said:

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2022/january/tfl-set-to-increase-fines-for-contraventions-on-london-s-red-routes

A move in the right direction.

What has this got to do with private parking?

HA ... NOTHING

Just sad old TFL trying to turn London into a ghost town

They say .... and I bet the BPA try a similar move, just changung the wording ?

• Parking illegally in loading bays      
• Blocking yellow box junctions 
• Making a turn where this movement is banned, which creates risk for people walking and cycling     
• Driving or parking in a bus lane      
• Stopping on the red route  

It will have a knock on effect for any PPCs whose portfolios include Pay & Displays in Greater London. The traffic flow will reduce due to TFLs new rules and sanctions. Even places like retail parks, supermarket and residential/ commercial sites will see reduced traffic this lowering the daily return of PCN opportunities for them.

Back to the original topic- why are London being charged £30 more than the rest of the country?!?  The streets of London aren't paved with gold and London has some of the country's poorest and most impoverished boroughs such as Tower Hamlets, Newham etc.  Even "Royal" boroughs such as Kensington & Chelsea and Westminster have their poor areas. The minimum hourly wage might be higher- but then so are rates, rents and cost of living.  Its just another example of how out of touch they are. Since ULEZ has been rolled out many people have been forced to scrap/ sell vehicles they've been priced out of being able to afford running and benefiting from!

patient_dream

I have not been to London for years and I only live 40 miles away. I'm not alone
It's just too much hassle now 

In my younger days as a rep, I covered all of London and it was fun but never again.

Parking is now a mega problem together with all the restrictions and charges  I could go by train and risk catching covid .....  the only time I see London is on TV and that is the way it stays.

TFL is one the country's biggest scams going

bargepole

I'm 30 miles from Central London, and used to go there frequently by train for court cases at Clerkenwell, or the RCJ, but all those have been held remotely for the past 21 months.

I have a case coming up at Clerkenwell in the next couple of weeks (not parking) where, following a prelim telephone hearing, the Judge has ordered that he wants the parties to attend in person, a commercial contract dispute between two companies, with £10k at stake.

With parking anywhere the Court costing shedloads per hour, and all of TfL's box junction booby traps, I'm going to have to mask up and risk the public transport system.