Electric heating

Zanderman

Gerry1 said:

nottsphil said:

Gerry1 said:

Mister_G said:

Indeed.  My gas boiler is now 38 years old and still going strong.  Yes, it may only be 65% efficient against the 90% of modern boilers, but it's very reliable.  The cost of changing it out would take a long time to payback, even with the increase in efficiency.

It will certainly be a lot cheaper than going to electricity.

However, if the same thing happens to you then presumably you can install a replacement boiler at the drop of a hat, celebrate the long service that the old one gave you and enjoy cheaper bills thereafter.

If it really is totally impossible to relocate the boiler or fit a flue that meets the regulations then the OP really should look elsewhere.  Even if the boiler soldiers on reliably, the OP could have problems if/when they want to sell because any new purchaser would be even more apprehensive about a boiler that will be even older by then.

I'm guessing you didn't intend the bit I enbolded to sound sarcastic
I'm sure the OP would ensure he has several electric heaters on standby  (as I do for my 30+ -y-o system). If it did indeed become irreparable than he would be in no worse a position than he is at the moment. 
As for the resale value of the property, spending thousands on a new boiler could easily price out many prospective purchasers who could otherwise have delayed the upgrade until they could afford it.

You've lost me !

Wasn't being sarcastic, just trying to point out that it may well make sense for @Mister_G to keep his old boiler until it fails, whereupon it should be possible to replace it (relatively) easily on a like for like basis and without too much inconvenience.

However, this strategy might not give the OP such an easy ride: what makes good financial sense for Mister_G might become highly problematic for the OP because it's such a hostage to fortune, hence the recommendation to purchase a different property.

Isn't the whole premise of this thread that the OP cannot replace the boiler on a like for like basis? 
Read the opening post.
If the OP could do that they wouldn't be asking.

nottsphil

Zanderman said:

Gerry1 said:

nottsphil said:

Gerry1 said:

Mister_G said:

Indeed.  My gas boiler is now 38 years old and still going strong.  Yes, it may only be 65% efficient against the 90% of modern boilers, but it's very reliable.  The cost of changing it out would take a long time to payback, even with the increase in efficiency.

It will certainly be a lot cheaper than going to electricity.

However, if the same thing happens to you then presumably you can install a replacement boiler at the drop of a hat, celebrate the long service that the old one gave you and enjoy cheaper bills thereafter.

If it really is totally impossible to relocate the boiler or fit a flue that meets the regulations then the OP really should look elsewhere.  Even if the boiler soldiers on reliably, the OP could have problems if/when they want to sell because any new purchaser would be even more apprehensive about a boiler that will be even older by then.

I'm guessing you didn't intend the bit I enbolded to sound sarcastic
I'm sure the OP would ensure he has several electric heaters on standby  (as I do for my 30+ -y-o system). If it did indeed become irreparable than he would be in no worse a position than he is at the moment. 
As for the resale value of the property, spending thousands on a new boiler could easily price out many prospective purchasers who could otherwise have delayed the upgrade until they could afford it.

You've lost me !

Wasn't being sarcastic, just trying to point out that it may well make sense for @Mister_G to keep his old boiler until it fails, whereupon it should be possible to replace it (relatively) easily on a like for like basis and without too much inconvenience.

However, this strategy might not give the OP such an easy ride: what makes good financial sense for Mister_G might become highly problematic for the OP because it's such a hostage to fortune, hence the recommendation to purchase a different property.

Isn't the whole premise of this thread that the OP cannot replace the boiler on a like for like basis? 
Read the opening post.
If the OP could do that they wouldn't be asking.

Mr G is not the OP....

When I first saw what you quoted I presumed you were going to query why Gerry said I lost him, then just confirmed what I thought!

Zanderman

nottsphil said:

Zanderman said:

Gerry1 said:

nottsphil said:

Gerry1 said:

Mister_G said:

Indeed.  My gas boiler is now 38 years old and still going strong.  Yes, it may only be 65% efficient against the 90% of modern boilers, but it's very reliable.  The cost of changing it out would take a long time to payback, even with the increase in efficiency.

It will certainly be a lot cheaper than going to electricity.

However, if the same thing happens to you then presumably you can install a replacement boiler at the drop of a hat, celebrate the long service that the old one gave you and enjoy cheaper bills thereafter.

If it really is totally impossible to relocate the boiler or fit a flue that meets the regulations then the OP really should look elsewhere.  Even if the boiler soldiers on reliably, the OP could have problems if/when they want to sell because any new purchaser would be even more apprehensive about a boiler that will be even older by then.

I'm guessing you didn't intend the bit I enbolded to sound sarcastic
I'm sure the OP would ensure he has several electric heaters on standby  (as I do for my 30+ -y-o system). If it did indeed become irreparable than he would be in no worse a position than he is at the moment. 
As for the resale value of the property, spending thousands on a new boiler could easily price out many prospective purchasers who could otherwise have delayed the upgrade until they could afford it.

You've lost me !

Wasn't being sarcastic, just trying to point out that it may well make sense for @Mister_G to keep his old boiler until it fails, whereupon it should be possible to replace it (relatively) easily on a like for like basis and without too much inconvenience.

However, this strategy might not give the OP such an easy ride: what makes good financial sense for Mister_G might become highly problematic for the OP because it's such a hostage to fortune, hence the recommendation to purchase a different property.

Isn't the whole premise of this thread that the OP cannot replace the boiler on a like for like basis? 
Read the opening post.
If the OP could do that they wouldn't be asking.

Mr G is not the OP....
When I first saw what you quoted I presumed you were going to query why Gerry said I lost him, then just confirmed what I thought!

Ah, I see!  My mistake.  Apologies.

jbuchanangb

To fit a new boiler nowadays you need an outside wall. I had a wall mounted boiler which used a flue that was built into the house. It was the successor to a floor mounted boiler that had used th same flue. Every year it attracted a yellow label for non-compliant ventilation. Eventually I decided to replace it when it was 24 years old, and installed the new one in the loft. The OP in this thread must surely have an outside wall somewhere in the property. The boiler can go there, and if need be it can be boxed in along with the gas and water supply pipes etc. 

Ectophile

It shouldn't have to be an outside wall.  All modern boilers are room sealed, so no extra ventilation is needed.  But if it's not on an outside wall, then the entire run of the flue from the boiler to the outside wall must be visible for inspection.

Tallerdave

Ectophile said:

It shouldn't have to be an outside wall.  All modern boilers are room sealed, so no extra ventilation is needed.  But if it's not on an outside wall, then the entire run of the flue from the boiler to the outside wall must be visible for inspection.

Which can be "boxed in" with access hatches. 

macman

The problem in this scenario is how you get access to the access hatches, which might have to be in communal areas, or other private areas of the block not under the control of the leaseholder. Assuming you can even get consent to running the flue via such a route anyway.
If the boiler is in such a condition that it is unlikely to last much longer, then the only practical and economic solution is to install NSH's and an immersion heater running on E7. An electric combi will, at the minimum, triple the heating and hot water bills.
E7 is particularly suited to this situation as the OP is retired and lilkely to need daytime heating.