Seller lied on TA6 Form, now lack of enjoyment, what next?

fackers_2

Vectis said:

fackers_2 said:
It bothers me a lot more than it does my parter.

Which goes to show how subjective these things are. Not much use thinking of going down the legal route if your partner is going to say 'Actually, it doesn't bother me too much.' Or would you expect them to lie/bend the truth a bit? But that would be exactly what you are complaining about the vendor doing, isn't it?

Have you gone to the Council about it? Might be a better route than expensive lawyers. Or keep going back to the LL and keep nagging them.

I do find it interesting though that your partner isn't so bothered by it. Is it possible you're getting it out of perspective, otherwise why are they not so bothered but you are?

I think you’re taking my words quite literally. She is bothered by it but not as much as I am, she prefers to put earphones in. She has the tolerance and patience of a saint and it’s her decision too to consider moving away from it. Trust me it’s vile language at the top of their voices, daily! I wouldn’t post in here if it was just a few noises here and there. We wouldn’t be so serious about considering these steps to take it further if it wasn’t that bad. As I’ve said previously, I’ve grown up in a terrace house and know full well about possibilities of noises from neighbours. But this is beyond! Over 60 recordings says how bad it is! 

fackers_2

goldfinches said:

Have you considered paying the really noisy neighbours to go away?
I know you shouldn't have to and that this suggestion probably rubs you up the wrong way but I'm suggesting that a contribution to their relocation expenses could be very cost effective for you. 
You could make it contingent upon having left the property provided they move on/by a certain date and so on. If you really wanted to be mean you could shop them to the taxman afterwards too!

No I haven’t, Working in the hospitality industry I could pay them with ‘exposure’ that many customers seem to think is good enough to use lately.  They have an eviction order which is up next month, I doubt it will go ahead but one can keep all fingers crossed.  That’s not in my nature sorry. 

goldfinches

fackers_2 said:

goldfinches said:

Have you considered paying the really noisy neighbours to go away?
I know you shouldn't have to and that this suggestion probably rubs you up the wrong way but I'm suggesting that a contribution to their relocation expenses could be very cost effective for you. 
You could make it contingent upon having left the property provided they move on/by a certain date and so on. If you really wanted to be mean you could shop them to the taxman afterwards too!

No I haven’t, Working in the hospitality industry I could pay them with ‘exposure’ that many customers seem to think is good enough to use lately.  They have an eviction order which is up next month, I doubt it will go ahead but one can keep all fingers crossed.  That’s not in my nature sorry. 

Okay, sorry to hear about your customers, my next suggestion is that you exploit your personal network to find somewhere else for them to go.
Between you, your oh, your family, friends, colleagues etc. there might be someone who knows of a landlord who needs a new tenant and has a property that is suitable.
If you found somewhere that for some reason was hard to let but would otherwise suit them that might work, bonus if they end up living next to someone who makes a lot of noise themselves. 

teachfast

goldfinches said:

fackers_2 said:

goldfinches said:

Have you considered paying the really noisy neighbours to go away?
I know you shouldn't have to and that this suggestion probably rubs you up the wrong way but I'm suggesting that a contribution to their relocation expenses could be very cost effective for you. 
You could make it contingent upon having left the property provided they move on/by a certain date and so on. If you really wanted to be mean you could shop them to the taxman afterwards too!

No I haven’t, Working in the hospitality industry I could pay them with ‘exposure’ that many customers seem to think is good enough to use lately.  They have an eviction order which is up next month, I doubt it will go ahead but one can keep all fingers crossed.  That’s not in my nature sorry. 

Okay, sorry to hear about your customers, my next suggestion is that you exploit your personal network to find somewhere else for them to go.
Between you, your oh, your family, friends, colleagues etc. there might be someone who knows of a landlord who needs a new tenant and has a property that is suitable.
If you found somewhere that for some reason was hard to let but would otherwise suit them that might work, bonus if they end up living next to someone who makes a lot of noise themselves. 

You'd inflict these people on a friend's contact? That will come back to bite you.

Murphybear

I feel your pain, really noisy neighbours can make your life hell and cause serious mental health issues.  

 We lived in a house for 9 years and the neighbours on one side got noisier and noisier.  We never complained  as some of the noise was from increasing their family from 1 to 4 children.  What broke the proverbial camels back was they moved their television so it was against the communal wall and someone started playing a guitar.  This may not sound a lot compared to some but to us it was a problem.  My husband went to have a word and the neighbour pushed him into the street and threatened him with physical abuse.  My husband is not easily intimidated but he was genuinely scared.  The neighbours owned their house and we were renting.  The agent was a friend and found us somewhere better very quickly,  While we were waiting to move other neighbours in the street told us this family had been a problem for years.  

Sorry I don’t have any practical suggestions other than what others have suggested and try to sell ASAP.  I wish you the very best of luck. 

Jeepers_Creepers

Fackers, the really really really good news is that, even if it's delayed, these folk will almost certainly be evicted in time. This will come to an end, and most likely in a matter of months.

Meanwhile keep on at their LL to ensure that this is the case. Also contact the council - if you already haven't done so - and report these noise disturbances every time they happen. Keep a detailed log of all extreme noises and incidences, and recordings too if possible.

It is galling that the previous seller was less than honest - as they almost certainly were - and is seemingly getting away with it.  It is also galling that SIPs are seemingly as ineffective and unenforceable as they appear - no sense of outrage from conveyancing solicitors, for example, or suggestions on how to tackle it (I've had an example of this myself, when I could prove the vendor lied about Build Regs and PP - this was pre-sale, and still both conveyancers and the EA just went 'Meh'). But you are lucky that Neighb A is renting and not an owner, so a solution is in hand.

In theory, provided you could build the evidence (eg neighbs willing to testify that the previous owner had 'run-ins' with N-A over noise), this is as actionable as any other similar case, but - phew - good news that you don't need to go there.

As it stands, with this neigh almost certainly leaving in a few months time, forget 'compensation'. Just thank your lucky stars.

(Do you have LegProt on your home insurance? If not, add it. Too late for this case (even if they'd act), but really worth having for the future.)

fackers_2

Jeepers_Creepers said:

Fackers, the really really really good news is that, even if it's delayed, these folk will almost certainly be evicted in time. This will come to an end, and most likely in a matter of months.

Meanwhile keep on at their LL to ensure that this is the case. Also contact the council - if you already haven't done so - and report these noise disturbances every time they happen. Keep a detailed log of all extreme noises and incidences, and recordings too if possible.

It is galling that the previous seller was less than honest - as they almost certainly were - and is seemingly getting away with it.  It is also galling that SIPs are seemingly as ineffective and unenforceable as they appear - no sense of outrage from conveyancing solicitors, for example, or suggestions on how to tackle it (I've had an example of this myself, when I could prove the vendor lied about Build Regs and PP - this was pre-sale, and still both conveyancers and the EA just went 'Meh'). But you are lucky that Neighb A is renting and not an owner, so a solution is in hand.

In theory, provided you could build the evidence (eg neighbs willing to testify that the previous owner had 'run-ins' with N-A over noise), this is as actionable as any other similar case, but - phew - good news that you don't need to go there.

As it stands, with this neigh almost certainly leaving in a few months time, forget 'compensation'. Just thank your lucky stars.

(Do you have LegProt on your home insurance? If not, add it. Too late for this case (even if they'd act), but really worth having for the future.)

Thank you for a broad detailed response. 

We agree, we had a huge sigh of relief once we found out it was rented and who the LL was. I only emailed them 3 weeks ago and will leave it another week before emailing again putting on more pressure. Hopefully we will see the back of them in a few weeks rather than months but we will see. 

It’s not about compensation necesserily for me but more the justice that the seller working in the world of law did this for their benefit. I’ve been in 2 minds to contact their company to inform them of their employee’s actions. 

Jeepers_Creepers

fackers_2 said:

Thank you for a broad detailed response. 

We agree, we had a huge sigh of relief once we found out it was rented and who the LL was. I only emailed them 3 weeks ago and will leave it another week before emailing again putting on more pressure. Hopefully we will see the back of them in a few weeks rather than months but we will see. 

It’s not about compensation necesserily for me but more the justice that the seller working in the world of law did this for their benefit. I’ve been in 2 minds to contact their company to inform them of their employee’s actions. 

Wouldn't it be nice to do that?! But, you know what, long term I think you'll feel better if you don't bother. It seems your surrounding neighbs know exactly what the score was, so the previous owner is hardly seen as a fellow of integrity. That should be enough. You are very lucky you didn't have to take legal action, 'cos that would almost certainly have been very stressful and real hassle - and if it failed, then you'd be really pi**ed. And the guy would be chuckling. Just count your non-religious blessings :-)

If you do anything - make folk aware of what he did - there's a good chance it'll backfire as you need to understand the world is composed of two basic types of folks, and a bad-mouthing ex-owner will have a ready audience from his side.

Also don't 'pressurise' the LL - just ask nicely how things are going, reminding them of how hellish it is (don't over-egg, and don't be emotive - just state the facts "Last night we were treated to "WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU F****** DOING?!" as we settled down for a quiet night of tele...". Ask how the proceedings are going, that sort of stuff, and then say clearly how grateful you are that he's taking action. Remember - he's not to blame, and he's on your side; don't pee him off... :-)

Festival123

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Has anyone else had the pleasure! Of dealing with Split the Bills?  My daughter’s in private accommodation with 2 other students for their final year at uni and signed a 12 month contract which covered unlimited usage in respect of her utilities, WiFi etc. All 3 students left the property in March and haven’t yet returned so there’s minimal utilities usage, although they are each continuing to pay £80 per month. I’ve called STB and they’ve said they are not entitled to a refund as they’re locked into a contract (and STB make an estimate of usage to pay the utility companies etc) but we might get something back when final meter readings are taken when her contract ends in June. Appreciate she will still need to pay standing charges etc but it seems unfair that there’s not been any monthly payment reduction or refund. Do we just sit and wait for the end of the contract and then try and get a refund? Is there anything we can do? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thank you

davidmcn

Festival123 said:

Split the Bills
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