Annoying 'helpful' features on C4 Picasso - Stop/Start and auto parking brake.

BOWFER

lemondrops69 said:

Deleted_User said:

Too much technology. Citroen should work on getting electric windows to last more than 4 years before they need fixing. And then maybe move onto other stuff. I dread to think the repair bills that used car buyers are going to have over the next 10 years.

If it makes it to year 10 it will be 'stop-stop' technology 

In my auto car, rather than wait for the wee delay when you take your foot off the brake, I just give the steering wheel a little nudge when I think the lights are about to change.
That fires the engine up and means I've no delay at all when the lights go green.
It's a Polo Gti with DSG gearbox.

BOWFER

facade said:

You'd think someone would have the wit to require them to time out after a couple of seconds when the car is stationary, they serve no function then apart from annoying the driver behind.

Funnily enough it looks like the law is taking over and brake lights will be required to dim when stationary.

Jeepers_Creepers

On the C4, it's seemingly only the clutch that restarts the engine. And it needs depressing fully. (I've fallen foul of that a few times - sitting stationary at changed lights, and then I notice the display "Put yer ped right down, y'ejit..."

custardy

Jeepers_Creepers said:

Jenni_D said:

My Vauxhall is the same ... dip the clutch or the accelerator and the engine restarts and stays on. Likewise there's a button to turn off S/S (needs to be pressed every time you get in the car after being parked up - i.e. S/S automatically enables).

Yup - the C4 ain't like this. Dip the clutch and it refires. Release with still in neut and it stops again. Repeat ad nauseam. Or until the battery says 'enough already'.

Ah! A solution! Go to a scrappie and buy a half-knackered battery!

(Grabs coat...)

Should have bought an older Picasso
No stop start and you can set them to not auto apply the handbrake 

Ganga

Jeepers_Creepers said:

On the C4, it's seemingly only the clutch that restarts the engine. And it needs depressing fully. (I've fallen foul of that a few times - sitting stationary at changed lights, and then I notice the display "Put yer ped right down, y'ejit..."

The stop / start system must reduce the lifespan of the starter motor compared to a normal version of the engine .

Jeepers_Creepers

Ganga said:

Jeepers_Creepers said:

On the C4, it's seemingly only the clutch that restarts the engine. And it needs depressing fully. (I've fallen foul of that a few times - sitting stationary at changed lights, and then I notice the display "Put yer ped right down, y'ejit..."

The stop / start system must reduce the lifespan of the starter motor compared to a normal version of the engine .

And that is precisely why I hate it.

Mind you, I understand, that some - most? - S/S systems use something like the alternator as the re-start motor - ie the engine is turned over via the fan belt. It's certainly very quiet in operation. That would mean no increased wear to the starter gear, but still - it's silly on many journeys.

Well, thanks all! I think this issue has been exhausted. I know I have :-)

Herzlos

Jeepers_Creepers said:

Herzlos said:

If you're only stopped for half a second, how are you managing to disengage the clutch in neutral?
If I'm pulling up to something that I know is just about to change, I'll dip the clutch and stay in gear since there's no point going to neutral and back.
If you're in neutral with the clutch up, then the engine should be on before you engage 1st gear no matter how quickly you think you can do it.

The handbrake thing is kind of annoying too, but I suspect it's probably safer for the occasional brake to lock on than it is for someone to forget to engage it and have it roll away. The bigger concern is that once you get used to the handbrake applying magically you'll almost certainly forget to do it in a car that needs manual work. I've done that before

'Cos I don't know it's only going to be for a half-second at the time! I pull up, into neutral, engine stops - lights change - grrrr. It's just unnecessary.

Sounds like poor planning; it should be pretty obvious by the time you've stopped at the line if you're going to be waiting or not.

Seriously, embrace the stop/start and move on with life

Jeepers_Creepers

I've tried to...but i can't...

Biggus_Dickus

Herzlos said:

Jeepers_Creepers said:

Herzlos said:

If you're only stopped for half a second, how are you managing to disengage the clutch in neutral?
If I'm pulling up to something that I know is just about to change, I'll dip the clutch and stay in gear since there's no point going to neutral and back.
If you're in neutral with the clutch up, then the engine should be on before you engage 1st gear no matter how quickly you think you can do it.

The handbrake thing is kind of annoying too, but I suspect it's probably safer for the occasional brake to lock on than it is for someone to forget to engage it and have it roll away. The bigger concern is that once you get used to the handbrake applying magically you'll almost certainly forget to do it in a car that needs manual work. I've done that before

'Cos I don't know it's only going to be for a half-second at the time! I pull up, into neutral, engine stops - lights change - grrrr. It's just unnecessary.

Sounds like poor planning; it should be pretty obvious by the time you've stopped at the line if you're going to be waiting or not.

Seriously, embrace the stop/start and move on with life

 Heretic! 😆

BOWFER

Ganga said:

Jeepers_Creepers said:

On the C4, it's seemingly only the clutch that restarts the engine. And it needs depressing fully. (I've fallen foul of that a few times - sitting stationary at changed lights, and then I notice the display "Put yer ped right down, y'ejit..."

The stop / start system must reduce the lifespan of the starter motor compared to a normal version of the engine .

Myth.
Cars that use the starter motor for S/S are fitted with heavier duty ones.
Some cars don't even use the starter motor any more, whatever piston is highest in its stroke is fed some fuel and a spark and is used to get the rest going.