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Premier Parking Solutions Limited & BW Legal - 2016 - Another One Bites the Dust!
mixMZ
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Claim issued on 09 Feb 2021
Already done AOS
Defence is in preparation but I am unsure if NTK complies with POFA2012 and therefore if Claimant is able to transfer driver's liability to the keeper. Would really appreciate if you could have a look at response to SAR
Here is a link:
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Ticket = x day
keeper data imported from dvla 38 days after x day
NTK received after 40 days from x day
reminder notice sent aprox 4 months later
Amount Claimed £195.xx
Court Fee £25.00
Solicitor Costs £50.00
Total Amount £270.xx
Particulars of Claim
The Claim is for the sum of £135.x being due from the Defendant in respect of a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) for a contractual breach which occurred on xxxxx in private car park/land at Totton Retail Park in relation to a xxx registration mark xxxx.
The PCN was issued as the driver failed to comply with the terms and conditions as displayed.
Despite demands, the charge remains unpaid.
The Claim also includes Statutory Interest pursuant to section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at rate of 8% per annum (a daily rate of £0.02) from xxxx to xxxx being an amount of £35.xx
The Claimant also claims £60 recovery costs as set out in the Terms and Conditions and in ATA AoS Code of Practice.
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I married my cousin. I had to...I don't have a sister.
All my screwdrivers are cordless."You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks4 -
Have you found the guide to court written by bargepole in the second post of the NEWBIES, as well as the ready written template defence in the sticky threads?
You only need to change paragraphs 2 and 3, and show them here.
Anything over the original £100 charge (plus allowed court fees) is prohibited. This is covered in the NEWBIES and int the template defence.I married my cousin. I had to...I don't have a sister.
All my screwdrivers are cordless."You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks4 -
"The PCN was issued as the driver failed to comply with the terms and conditions as displayed."
Do you know what t & c's the driver did comply with?2 -
mixMZ said:Claim issued on 09 Feb 2021Already done AOS
I am going to assume that you filed an Acknowledgment of Service sometime after 12th February.
Please confirm that - your MCOL Claim History will have the definitive answer.With a Claim Issue Date of 9th February, and having filed an Acknowledgment of Service in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Monday 15th March 2021 to file your Defence.That's nearly three weeks away. Plenty of time to produce a Defence, but please don't leave it to the last minute.To create a Defence, and then file a Defence by email, look at the second post in the NEWBIES thread.Don't miss the deadline for filing a Defence.3 -
Did you think that it was a free car park? It appears to be free for 90 minutes but you have to get a ticket. If you were there for less that 90 mins but failed to get a ticket then there was no loss.
For these sort of cases where there is no loss and other drivers have not been disadvantaged there should be a maxiumum of a £10.00 admin fee to cover the cost of obtaining details from the DVLA and a letter. Hopefully the new CoP will reduce the level of charge on very minor transgressions (De Minimis).
I have seen a number of cases on the forum where the judge is very fair to the defendant when there is no loss and/or other drivers have not been disadvantaged.
Nolite te bast--des carborundorum.2 -
If those timescales are correct and this is a windscreen ticket (as they state in their NtK), the NtK's wording looks sufficiently compliant with PoFA, the PPC are able to pursue the registered keeper.keeper data imported from dvla 38 days after x dayNTK received after 40 days from x day
However, they do say in their NtK that a notice was placed on your windscreen - their own photographic evidence fails spectacularly in supporting this. Something you must not overlook in defending the claim - not a showstopper, but should hopefully push things in your direction. It can be argued that there is an unreliability in their statements.Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.#Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street2 -
What is the yellow small rectangular thing in the third picture of the car? Could it be a ticket that has fallen off the dashboard?
Nolite te bast--des carborundorum.2 -
Due to covid I had to leave UK for quite long time and before I left I submitted my defence to CCBCAQ@justice.gov.uk with below points:This Claim is inflated, includes a significant element of double recovery and the Particulars ofClaim lack specificity or any breakdown to justify the exorbitant sum sought. The Defendant setsout this defence as clearly as possible in the circumstances, insofar as the facts below are known.1. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.2. The Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle in question. The particulars of theclaim, state the 'contractual breach' by the driver.However, it is denied that the Defendant, or any driver of the vehicle, entered into any contractualagreement with the Claimant, whether express, implied, or by conduct when parking at TottonRetail Park on 1x/0x/20163. Any breach is denied, and it is further denied that there was any agreement to pay theClaimant's £1x5.1x - 'Parking Charge Notice ('PCN')'.4. It is denied that the Claimant has standing to bring any claim in the absence of a contractthat expressly permits the Claimant to do so, in addition to merely undertaking parkingmanagement. The Claimant has provided no proof of any such entitlement. It is denied that theClaimant has any standing flowing from the overall landowner and it appears (at best) that theirposition is as third party agents with a bare licence from another third party agent, neither of whomare in possession.5. The Defendant is the registered keeper of the vehicle. 'Keeper liability' under Schedule 4 of the Protection Act 2012("the POFA") is dependent upon full compliance with that Act.It is submitted that the Claimant's Parking Charge Notice and/or Notice to Keeper failed to comply with the statutory wordingand/or deadlines set by the POFA. Any non-compliance voids any right to 'keeper liability'.6. The Particulars of Claim set out an incoherent statement of case and the quantum hasbeen enhanced in excess of any sum hidden in small print on the signage that the Claimant may be relying upon.Claiming 'costs/damages' on an indemnity basis is stated to be unfair in theUnfair Contract Terms Guidance, CMA37, para 5.14.3. That is the official Government guidanceon the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA 2015') legislation which must be considered, given theduty in s71. The Defendant avers that the CRA 2015 has been breached due to unfair termsand/or unclear notices (signs), pursuant to s62 and with regard to the requirements fortransparency and good faith, and paying regard to examples 6, 10, 14 and 18 in Sch2. NB: this isdifferent from the UTCCRs considered by the Supreme Court, in that there is now a requirementfor contract terms and notices to be fair.7. It is denied that the exaggerated sum sought is recoverable. The Defendant's position isthat this moneyclaim is in part/wholly a penalty, applying the authority in ParkingEye cases (ref:paras 98, 100, 193, 198) ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 and para 419 of HHJ Hegarty'sHigh Court decision in ParkingEye Ltd v Somerfield Stores Ltd ChD [2011] EWHC 4023(QB) wherethe parking charge was set at £75 (discounted to £37.50 for prompt payment) then increasingultimately to £135. Much like the situation in this claim, the business model involved sending aseries of automated demands to the keeper. At para 419, HHJ Hegarty found that adding £60 toan already increased parking charge 'would appear to be penal' and unrecoverable. ParkingEyehad dropped this punitive enhancement by the time of Mr Beavis' famous parking event.8. Even if the Claimant had shown the global sum claimed in the largest font on clear andprominent signs - which is denied - they are attempting double recovery of the cost of theirstandard automated letter-chain. It is denied that the Claimants have expended additional costsfor the same letters that the Beavis case decision held were a justification for the (alreadyincreased from the discount) parking charge sum of £85.9. The Claimant cannot be heard to base its charge on the Beavis case, then add damagesfor automated letter costs; not even if letters were issued by unregulated 'debt recovery' thirdparties. It is known that parking firms have been misleading the courts with an appeal at SalisburyCourt (the Semark-Jullien case) where the Judge merely reset an almost undefended case backfor a hearing. He indicated to Judges for future cases, how to consider the CRA 2015 properly andhe rightly remarked that the Beavis case was not one that included additional 'costs' per se, but hemade no finding of fact about the illegality of adding the same 'automated letter costs' twice. Hewas not taken by either party to Somerfield in point #5 above and in any event it is worth notingthat the lead Southampton case of Britannia v Crosby was not appealed. It is averred that DistrictJudge Grand's rationale remains sound, as long as a court has sufficient facts to properly considerthe CRA 2015 s62, 63 and 67 before turning to consider the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012Sch4 ('the POFA').10. Pursuant to Sch4 of the POFA at 4(5), the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentiallyrecoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a parking firm has complied with itsother requirements (denied in this case). It is worth noting that even though the driver was knownin Beavis, the Supreme Court considered the POFA, given that it was the only legislationspecifically dealing with parking on private land. There is now also the Parking (Code of Practice)Act 2019 with a new, more robust and statutory Code of Practice being introduced shortly, whichevolved because the two Trade Bodies have failed to properly govern this industry.The ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 case is distinguished11. Unlike in this case, ParkingEye demonstrated a commercial justification for their £85 privatePCN, which included all operational costs, and they were able to overcome the real possibility ofthe charge being dismissed as punitive and unrecoverable. However, their Lordships were very clearthat 'the penalty rule is plainly engaged' in such cases.12. Their decision was specific to what was stated to be a unique set of facts: the legitimateinterest/commercial justification, the car park location and prominent and clear signs with theparking charge itself in the largest/boldest text. The unintended consequence is that, rather thanpersuade courts considering other cases that all parking charges are automatically justified, theBeavis case facts and pleadings (and in particular, the brief and very conspicuous yellow/blacksigns) set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach.13. Without the Beavis case to support the claim and no alternative calculation of loss/damage,this claim must fail. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if thereis a lack of an overriding legitimate interest in performance extending beyond the prospect ofcompensation flowing directly from the alleged breach.14. The Supreme Court held that the intention cannot be to punish a motorist - nor to presentthem with concealed pitfalls, traps, hidden terms or unfair/unexpected obligations - and nor can theoperator claim an unconscionable sum. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of thetests in Beavis.15. The Claimant's signs have vague/hidden terms and mix of small font, such that theywould be considered incapable of binding any person reading them under common contract law,and would also be considered void pursuant to Sch2 of the CRA. Consequently, it is the Defenant's possitionthat no contract to pay an onerous penalty was seen, known or agreed.16. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclearterms and lack of 'adequate notice' of an onerous parking charge, would include:(i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (the 'red hand rule' case) and(ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ 2,both leading authorities confirming that an unseen/hidden clause cannot be incorporated after acontract has been concluded; and(ii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000,where the Court of Appeal held that it was unsurprising that the appellant did not see the sign ''inview of the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the southern parking space''. In manycases where parking firm Claimants have cited Vine in their template witness statements, theyhave misled courts by quoting out of context from Roch LJ, whose words related to the Respondent'slosing case, and not from the ratio. To pre-empt that, in fact Miss Vine won because it was held as a factthat she was not afforded a fair opportunity to learn of the terms by which she would be bound.17. Fairness and clarity are paramount in the new statutory CoP being finalised by the MHCLGand this stance is supported by the BPA and IPC alike. In the November 2020 issue of ParkingReview, solicitor Will Hurley, the Chief Executive of the IPC Trade Body, observed:'Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn't. If it's clear to one person but not for another,there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition,has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved - it's either fair or it isn't. The introduction of a new'Code of Practice of Parking' provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motoristsand landowners alike." The Defendant's position is that the signs and terms the Claimant is relying upon werenot clear, and were in fact, unfair and the Beavis case is fully distinguished.18. In the alternative, the Claimant is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneousand un-redacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landholder of the relevant landto the Claimant. It is not accepted that the Claimant has adhered to the landholder's definitions,exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due tocomplaints. There is no evidence that the freeholder authorises this Claimant to issue parkingcharges or what the land enforcement boundary and start/expiry dates are, nor whether thisClaimant has standing to enforce such charges by means of civil litigation in their own name ratherthan a bare licence to act as an agent 'on behalf of' the landowner.In the matter of costs, the Defendant seeks:19. (a) standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and(b) that any hearing is not vacated but continues as a costs hearing, in the event of alate Notice of Discontinuance. The Defendant seeks a finding of unreasonablebehaviour in the pre-and post-action phases by this Claimant, and will seek furthercosts pursuant to CPR 46.5.20. The Defendant invites the court to find that this exaggerated claim is entirely without meritand to dismiss the claim.Statement of TruthI believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contemptof court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in adocument verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.0
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Luckily now I am back, and just went through all paperwork I received by post from Court and it looks like case have been transferred to my local County Court in Southampton and the case will be heard on 1x August 2021
They estimated hearing may take up to 1hr, they also says each party must deliver to the other party and to the court office copies of all documents on which party intends to rely on by 4pm on 30 June 2021. It also says that due to covid this hearing will now take place by telephone.I also received couple letters from BWLegal, first with discounted offer for £160, then 2nd letter with interesting section "response to your defence" - please find doc attached.&drive.google.com/file/d/1zQ4AhP8uwb9e6aT2HAquYjnoUzVKD2lT/view?usp=sharing
should I be worried anyhow by what BWlegal says or is it just another scary tactic they use?I only have 1 week to complete WS , and obviously I still haven’t received any other docs from BW Legal which probably will arrive in last minute so not quite sure what should I concentrate on now.
I honestly cannot remember much about this parking event so any links to solid points I could use in WS would be very appreciated.Apologize for short notice but it has been challenging time for last couple months for me.0 -
Unless the OP did also file and serve a DQ, which they must have done to have got this far? Anyway, as long as a hearing has been set they must be on track, so can adapt the latest WS example by @jrhysPRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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