Tickets for 45 and 55 seconds!

KeithP

swazzle2000 said:

So we sent them an email saying that they should provide a grace period as per the terms and conditions, and this is the response they gave? Surely if he's left the site and no longer considering the terms and conditions of the site, then they shouldn't be trying to impose a charge on him because he's left the site within so many seconds??

Aren't they saying that the driver accepted the T&Cs by walking off the site to the neighbouring dental practice?

I.e. the consideration period ends when the motorist leaves their parked vehicle in the car park and wanders off - presumably on foot.

swazzle2000

Le_Kirk said:

Do they mean "left the site" as in "walked away from the retail outlet that the car park is for and went to another shop/bank/pub?" OR got in the car and left the site, i.e. car park?

I'm not sure. He could have quite easily parked up, read the sign, and drove off again. I don't really know what to make of it. 

Fruitcake

I'm not sure about the IPC CoP, but it may say that grace/consideration periods don't apply if the motorist was not using the facilities on site. If the pub was closed, then irrespective of what method was used, the driver could not have been a patron of the pub, hence the reason for issuing the scamvoice.

swazzle2000

Fruitcake said:

I'm not sure about the IPC CoP, but it may say that grace/consideration periods don't apply if the motorist was not using the facilities on site. If the pub was closed, then irrespective of what method was used, the driver could not have been a patron of the pub, hence the reason for issuing the scamvoice.

I see what you mean. It just feels awfully unfair. He's going to contact the IAS anyway and see what they can do. 

Fruitcake

I believe he will need an IAS appeal code. If one has not been supplied then a complaint should be made to the IPC.

swazzle2000

Fruitcake said:

I believe he will need an IAS appeal code. If one has not been supplied then a complaint should be made to the IPC.

He's got one and he's sent both appeals off today. So fingers crossed. 

Umkomaas

swazzle2000 said:

Fruitcake said:

I believe he will need an IAS appeal code. If one has not been supplied then a complaint should be made to the IPC.

He's got one and he's sent both appeals off today. So fingers crossed. 

Oh I wish we'd had a chance to read first. A (b)IAS appeal really needs to be lengthy with plenty of evidence included. It needs to be such a ball-ache for the PPC to respond to, especially if large chunks of their staff are on furlough, they just give up on it. 

Anyway, what's done is done, let's wait and see. 

Coupon-mad

The IAS will not help and I hope he didn't send an appeal admitting to walking off site. You've rushed this and don't seem to realise the IAS is not an independent appeal at all.  I didn't see you ask us what to put, or not put, in an IAS appeal.

So frustrated that drivers choose car parks just because 'the pub is closed' when they are meant to deliver things by stopping on street and he would never have got a PCN, not even on a double yellow.  Please tell him to use the street lines as permitted!

swazzle2000

Well I'm sorry, we've not had one before and I didn't know you had to do it in a certain way, and no one mentioned it. 
And surely it's safer to stop on an empty car park than it is to stop on double yellow lines! I have never in my 14 years of driving come across anything that says you are permitted to stop on double yellow lines.
And he's not a delivery driver. He's a dental technician. He's only delivering jobs temporarily, so doesn't have 'delivery driver' training.

Umkomaas

I have never in my 14 years of driving come across anything that says you are permitted to stop on double yellow lines.

Highway Code?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252

https://www.directlineforbusiness.co.uk/van-insurance/knowledge-centre/running-your-van/parking-on-double-yellow-lines