Texas Freeze Raises Cost Of Charging A Tesla To $900

Flight3287462

Interesting article, which I hope focus' a few minds in the UK electricity supply industry and government prior to 2030.

Dallas latitude 32 (about the same latitude as Tripoli)
Edinburgh latitude 56

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Texas-Freeze-Raises-Cost-Of-Charging-A-Tesla-To-900.html

neilmcl

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

Interesting article, which I hope focus' a few minds in the UK electricity supply industry and government prior to 2030.

Dallas latitude 32 (about the same latitude as Tripoli)
Edinburgh latitude 56

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Texas-Freeze-Raises-Cost-Of-Charging-A-Tesla-To-900.html

What's those figures got to do with anything?

Flight3287462

neilmcl said:

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

Interesting article, which I hope focus' a few minds in the UK electricity supply industry and government prior to 2030.

Dallas latitude 32 (about the same latitude as Tripoli)
Edinburgh latitude 56

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Texas-Freeze-Raises-Cost-Of-Charging-A-Tesla-To-900.html

What's those figures got to do with anything?

I would have thought it was obvious,  the fact that the weather in Texas is unprecedented which is significantly further south than the UK. 

Therefore these events though perhaps not common will likely be more common in the UK.

Therefore how would the UK be able to cope with all its wind turbines frozen solid?  We live in a country that is falling headlong into renewables generation very possibly without the back up required.

AdrianC

Meteorology is so much more complicated than Latitude.

Even ignoring the current situation in Texas, consider that Edinburgh is about the same latitude as Moscow, and Edmonton in Northern Canada is about the same as Manchester.

Then remember how far south in Europe people fly to go skiing...

daveyjp

Don't use the 'wind turbines are frozen' as your line of argument.  Just as in the UK their contribution is part of the mix and as there will be times when they won't generate the other systems have to be able to provide the power.  Most of UK turbines are at sea which won't experience temperatures of -20 degrees for days on end.

Texas decided to look after themselves for power and have no interconnection agreements with other States.  Their system fails they have no back up.

Natural gas is used to provide far more fuel for power generation, the lines and pipework are frozen.

The water system froze and a nuclear reactor couldn't be cooled so the recator had to be shut down.
There was a huge increase in demand which would never have been met.

DrEskimo

The drop in energy production from natural gas was about 30GW, whereas for wind it was about 16GW. 

The very same person quoted in your oilprice link is quoted elsewhere stating:

“It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system,” Woodfin said during a Tuesday call with reporters.

I couldn't possibly think what agenda 'oilprice' might have on wanting to portray renewable energy as the main cause of this issue....

neilmcl

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

neilmcl said:

Hunyani_Flight_825 said:

Interesting article, which I hope focus' a few minds in the UK electricity supply industry and government prior to 2030.

Dallas latitude 32 (about the same latitude as Tripoli)
Edinburgh latitude 56

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Texas-Freeze-Raises-Cost-Of-Charging-A-Tesla-To-900.html

What's those figures got to do with anything?

I would have thought it was obvious,  the fact that the weather in Texas is unprecedented which is significantly further south than the UK. 

Therefore these events though perhaps not common will likely be more common in the UK.

Therefore how would the UK be able to cope with all its wind turbines frozen solid?  We live in a country that is falling headlong into renewables generation very possibly without the back up required.

Only to someone who doesn't know how our weather is formed. There so much more that influences a country's weather than it's latitude. As mentioned above, Edinburgh shares the same latitude as Moscow but they are worlds apart when it comes to winter climate.

[Deleted User]

The US have just been using this as part of a plan from fossil fuel companies to try and attack wind power. It's already been debunked, the problem was not with the drop from wind generation. Climate change is going to hit us in ways that aren't great by any means but it's not going to be wind turbines freezing that will cause the problem. People use solar panels in the UK despite our latitude

Herzlos

The main difference is that the UK gets cold weather every year and more or less plans for it.

Texas doesn't, so in order to cut regulatory hassle nothing they have has prepared for it and it's failed miserably. Their avoidance of regulation also means they have their own energy grid which isn't connected to any outside states so after their cheaply designed systems failed they don't have the ability to use someone elses.

If anything, it shows how dangerous deregulation and isolationism are.

Grumpy_chap

I assume few consumers are actually subject to the spot charge mentioned in the article and, also, that few people are driving anywhere in that snow do no need to charge the Tesla.

missile

"If anything, it shows how dangerous deregulation and isolationism are." That would be Brexit?