PCN for parking in a loading place during restricted hours without loading

Herzlos

AdrianC said:

BusyBee1904 said:

The PCN states an observation time of 7 minutes. All in all were unloading longer than that.

But that's AWAY from the vehicle for at least 7 minutes...

Not necessarily, it just means observed. The parking attendant presumably was there for more than 7 minutes and had amply opportunity to yell "Hey! You can't park there! It's loading only!". Of course they wouldn't actually do that because then they wouldn't get any commission for the invoice.  They were probably there for most of the visit hiding behind a bush.

How long would it reasonably take for someone to carry a bag of coal from there to a boat and back? Is it reasonable that you were observed at the car?

AdrianC

Herzlos said:

AdrianC said:

BusyBee1904 said:

The PCN states an observation time of 7 minutes. All in all were unloading longer than that.

But that's AWAY from the vehicle for at least 7 minutes...

Not necessarily, it just means observed. The parking attendant presumably was there for more than 7 minutes and had amply opportunity to yell "Hey! You can't park there! It's loading only!". Of course they wouldn't actually do that because then they wouldn't get any commission for the invoice.

They don't get commission.
Here's a typical job ad for the person who issued the OP with the ticket.
Less than a quid an hour more than minimum wage...
https://uk.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=1a2a223717b008d9&tk=1eubc91j8strt800&from=serp&vjs=3

How long would it reasonably take for someone to carry a bag of coal from there to a boat and back?

That depends.
1. How far the boat is.
2. How quickly I was walking.
3. How long I spent at the boat. We know there was an element of "putting away" time involved.

BusyBee1904 said:

And also, as I mentioned before, we were unloading heavy bags of coal and gas canisters which we could not just “dump” on the boat.

Jenni_D

A parking enforcement person working for a private parking company who issue Parking charge notices (i.e. different to a "blue meanie" who issues Penalty charge notices) will very often be incentivised by bonus payments for the number of PCNs issued.

Supersonos

Herzlos said:

AdrianC said:

BusyBee1904 said:

The PCN states an observation time of 7 minutes. All in all were unloading longer than that.

But that's AWAY from the vehicle for at least 7 minutes...

Not necessarily, it just means observed. The parking attendant presumably was there for more than 7 minutes and had amply opportunity to yell "Hey! You can't park there! It's loading only!". Of course they wouldn't actually do that because then they wouldn't get any commission for the invoice.  They were probably there for most of the visit hiding behind a bush.

How long would it reasonably take for someone to carry a bag of coal from there to a boat and back? Is it reasonable that you were observed at the car?

Whilst I agree with you (I hate selfish people who park in loading bays when not loading, disabled bays when not disabled etc.) the OP clearly says they were unloading the whole time.

OP - I think your problem is the amount of time it took you between trips.  Maybe if you appeal you can then prove (via reciepts of goods bought, where you live/work) that you were unloading.

Supersonos

BusyBee1904 said:

feolojad said:

Jenni_D said:

feolojad said:

As a lorry driver who gets sick of doing urban deliveries and finding people like you parked in loading bays whilst you go off to do your shopping it warms my heart that you've got a fine. You by your own admission went shopping when you were parked there as you said there were quite a few bags of shopping. They are not put there for you to use to put your shopping in the car.

Where does the OP say that? Have you replied to the wrong thread?

Post 4...

"(and, I admit, a few bags of shopping)."

 I did not expect to be attacked like this. 

Really?!  It's what internet forums are all about - and I find this is one of the worst.  It's why I come here - to read all the argumentative, non-relevant comments.  Like AdrianC's "presumably unloading to a narrowboat"... like that's important!

feolojad

TooManyPoints said:

I expected to receive advice in this forum.  But I did not expect to be attacked like this

Regretfully, BusyBee, you will find that wherever you post problems like this there will be "professional" people (often lorry drivers) venting their spleen. They also often, as here, engage fingers on keyboard before engaging brain. They obviously suffer a great deal from the constant law breaking and inconsiderate motorists getting in the way of them earning a crust. Poor things..

Yeah disgusting that lorry drivers who work up to 15hrs a day, up to 84hrs a week out in all weathers doing one of the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country delivering every single thing you buy and consume should dare voice their opinion when someone decides to park their shed in a place designated for goods vehicles to unload, meaning they can't and they've then got to navigate a 18-44 tonne lorry around the city trying to find somewhere else burning up precious driving time to do it.

They should know their place and keep their mouths shut and be grateful.

unforeseen

park their shed in a place designated for goods vehicles to unload

If you had actually taken the trouble to read the thread rather than launching into a rant then you would have known that the loading bay wasn't for commercial vehicles only. 

AdrianC

Then there's the minor detail that 15hr/day, 84hr/week is WAY outside the maximum driving hours.

• 9 hours in a day - this can be extended to 10 hours twice a week
• 56 hours in a week
• 90 hours in any 2 consecutive weeks
  

And, yes, truck driving is one of the most dangerous jobs. 38 deaths in the UK in five years. Shows just how safe working actually is these days...