Newbie needing help

Gerry1

Neil_Jones said:

So if Jan 20 has electricity reading of 10000 and Jan 21 has a meter reading of 12500, you electricity usage is 12500-10000=2500.  Same for gas.

Not quite, because the gas meter measures volume and this has to be converted to kWh by the supplier.

Admittedly, some smart meters show kWh as well as m3, but this relies on it having downloaded the correct info.  This may not be happening if the meter has gone dumb, so it's probably better to number crunch the volume readings.

It's also a bad habit to get used to reading the kWh value on a gas meter because if you submit that figure to your supplier they will bill you for 11 times the correct usage !

Gerry1

Goggins43 said:

You lot are amazing ,and very patient ,thank you ....does 4533 kilowatts in a year sound about right for electric ?? 

That's pretty high, about 50% above average.  Avoid instantaneous electric showers like the plague, ditto any immersion heater, panel heater, oil filled radiator etc.

Neil_Jones

Gerry1 said:

Neil_Jones said:

So if Jan 20 has electricity reading of 10000 and Jan 21 has a meter reading of 12500, you electricity usage is 12500-10000=2500.  Same for gas.

Not quite, because the gas meter measures volume and this has to be converted to kWh by the supplier.

Yeah my bad, I dunno why I said that.  I was thinking of the dumb meter where you've used 1 meter unit its about 11 gas units.  I shouldn't had added "same for gas" onto my post.

Gerry1

Neil_Jones said:

Gerry1 said:

Neil_Jones said:

So if Jan 20 has electricity reading of 10000 and Jan 21 has a meter reading of 12500, you electricity usage is 12500-10000=2500.  Same for gas.

Not quite, because the gas meter measures volume and this has to be converted to kWh by the supplier.

Yeah my bad, I dunno why I said that.  I was thinking of the dumb meter where you've used 1 meter unit its about 11 gas units.  I shouldn't had added "same for gas" onto my post.

Don't worry, it's a very easy mistake to make !

What's really daft is the way that some meters only show the m3 volume reading for a second or two before showing the kWh figure.  There have been several frantic posts on here where people have had to read their smart meter because it's gone dumb, and have then received a crippling bill for 11 times the correct usage.  Just another example of the smart meter project fiasco.

Goggins43

So gas ...November bill 2019 meter reading 01749 

November bill 2020 meter reading 03084 

how do I work that one out please ???

BedrockFred

3064 - 1749 = 1315 x cost per unit plus 365 days standing charge will give you your yearly cost

Gerry1

BedrockFred said:

3064 - 1749 = 1315 x cost per unit plus 365 days standing charge will give you your yearly cost

D'oh !  Apart from misreading 3084, those will be m3 figures that need to be converted to the kWh figures needed for comparison sites and number crunching.  As previously stated the Gas kWh Conversion site can be used to get the kWh figures.

The OP can work out the yearly cost either by multiplying the annual kWh figures by the VAT inclusive  prices per kWh and adding the 365 daily charges, OR by adding up the bill amounts between those two bills with actual meter readings.

BedrockFred

Gerry1 said:

BedrockFred said:

3064 - 1749 = 1315 x cost per unit plus 365 days standing charge will give you your yearly cost

D'oh !  Apart from misreading 3084, those will be m3 figures that need to be converted to the kWh figures needed for comparison sites and number crunching.  As previously stated the Gas kWh Conversion site can be used to get the kWh figures.

The OP can work out the yearly cost either by multiplying the annual kWh figures by the VAT inclusive  prices per kWh and adding the 365 daily charges, OR by adding up the bill amounts between those two bills with actual meter readings.

Doh must read posts properly I was thinking elec 
OP sorry

E.ON_Company_Representative

Goggins43 said:

So gas ...November bill 2019 meter reading 01749 

November bill 2020 meter reading 03084 

how do I work that one out please ???

Hi Goggins43, hope you're well. Some great advice already provided in this thread  

For your gas usage your reading goes from 01749 m3 to 03084 m3 over 12 months - usage of 1335 m3. On your bills on Page 2 under 'The readings' there will be the conversion equation which will look something like this XXXX x 1.02264 x 39 / 3.6. 

This would give you annual gas usage of approx. 14,789 (the equation sometimes differs ever so slightly but as a very rough guide you multiply the m3 figure by 11.19).

As has been mentioned OFGEM publishes average consumption figures each year. You should be able to find these with a quick Google. At the moment it looks like they are 2,900 units for electricity and 12,000 units for gas for a medium user.

You're not massively over on the gas so I think the electricity will likely be where you're spending more than expected. Over this winter we've seen a general trend of increased usage; owing to us all being at home a lot more frequently. I've been having a blast of heating between 12pm and 2pm every day to keep my house warm whilst working from home. In usual winters this wouldn't be the case as my heating would only be on mornings and evenings. I expect this is the same with a lot of people. 

You already have the best tool for keeping track of usage with your Smart Meter and in-home display. Whilst this doesn't necessarily tell you exactly which appliance is using the energy, it can be helpful to work out what times of the day you're using a lot of energy if you have it on 'so far today'. If you change the mode to 'usage now' you might be able to work out your energy intensive appliances by turning them on and seeing how much the figure jumps up by. As another commenter has mentioned electric showers can be big culprits, as well as tumble dryers and electric heaters if you have any. 

We always recommend ensuring you're on a competitive tariff. Even if you're only a month or two into your current plan you can always change if there's a cheaper deal, there's no exit fee to pay if you're changing tariff internally within E.ON. As well as this you may be able to find more suitable tariffs elsewhere. Whilst we tend to recommend against it you can also adjust your DD figure online by up to 20% if needed.

Thanks, Matt