been accused of lying in my disaplinery

furby-2003

Basicly I had my hearing yesterday. I have been told i have a written warning today. In that they accuse me of lying and saying Im aware of it. But its totally untrue they have no evidence im lying apart form a form i accidently filled in which i told them. but if they had asked occupational health they would know im telling the truth but obviously they haven't. Im trying to not say to much as this is a public forum and i can get in more trouble but need advice. They suggested my partner was abusive because i had to do my hearing at home and he burst in to my dismay. But he wasn't he just defended me. there was nothing abusive about it. In their response they say i actually didn't break any rules i just abused their generosity. I want to appeal as im not happy they are accusing me of lying. Im trying to get proof from hr and occupation health of this. Can i raise a grievence or complaint i have been accused of lying if i can prove them wrong. 

eamon

How long does the written warning last and are there any terms attached?

If you do appeal be careful what you wish for, this is not a court of law. Your employer could easily open up a can of worms e.g. decide that they were too lenient and dismiss.

In your shoes I would suck it up stick to the deal and watch the clock tick by.

furby-2003

12 months but im being made redundant and will need to find a new job shortly in the new year this job has been my only job for 20 years so no decent reference and i have nothing. 

Thrugelmir

furby-2003 said:

 But its totally untrue they have no evidence im lying apart form a form i accidently filled in which i told them. 

Forms aren't accidently filled in. Takes a conscious decision. To do so will undermine trust in anything you do or say unfortunately.  

furby-2003

I can't really do this without explaining myself and being a open forum i risk more sanctions.  

Thrugelmir

furby-2003 said:

I can't really do this without explaining myself and being a open forum i risk more sanctions.  

What's done is done. Your employer shouldn't give you a bad reference. 

elsien

Thrugelmir said:

furby-2003 said:

I can't really do this without explaining myself and being a open forum i risk more sanctions.  

What's done is done. Your employer shouldn't give you a bad reference. 

If it’s factually accurate then why not? 

Undervalued

furby-2003 said:

Basicly I had my hearing yesterday. I have been told i have a written warning today. In that they accuse me of lying and saying Im aware of it. But its totally untrue they have no evidence im lying apart form a form i accidently filled in which i told them. but if they had asked occupational health they would know im telling the truth but obviously they haven't. Im trying to not say to much as this is a public forum and i can get in more trouble but need advice. They suggested my partner was abusive because i had to do my hearing at home and he burst in to my dismay. But he wasn't he just defended me. there was nothing abusive about it. In their response they say i actually didn't break any rules i just abused their generosity. I want to appeal as im not happy they are accusing me of lying. Im trying to get proof from hr and occupation health of this. Can i raise a grievence or complaint i have been accused of lying if i can prove them wrong. 

As Eamon has said in the first reply, this is not a court of law. To act fairly, in law, an employer does not need proof. They only need a "reasonable belief" that the misconduct took place. Even if that "reasonable belief" is subsequently proved to be wrong it does not change the outcome. All that matter is that the belief was reasonable at the time.

The employer is quite entitled to be appalled by the second paragraph I have highlighted. Your partner had no right to "burst" into the meeting. Doing so could be argued to be "abusive" in itself irrespective of what he said.

eamon

If your job is likely to vanish due to redundancy I wouldn't worry too much. You have a 20 year record with one employer with only one blemish. I doubt that it would even appear on a reference as your reason for leaving is Redundancy along with many others. I get it that you feel that your character has been besmirched, in reality there is little that you can do about it. Don't waste your time raising a grievance, its not worth it. Ditto for appealing the disciplinary outcome. You still have your job.

A better choice is spending time updating your CV in advance of any redundancy.

JReacher1

It’s unlikely to be on your reference. I wouldn’t worry too much about it. 

Brynsam

Undervalued said:

furby-2003 said:

Basicly I had my hearing yesterday. I have been told i have a written warning today. In that they accuse me of lying and saying Im aware of it. But its totally untrue they have no evidence im lying apart form a form i accidently filled in which i told them. but if they had asked occupational health they would know im telling the truth but obviously they haven't. Im trying to not say to much as this is a public forum and i can get in more trouble but need advice. They suggested my partner was abusive because i had to do my hearing at home and he burst in to my dismay. But he wasn't he just defended me. there was nothing abusive about it. In their response they say i actually didn't break any rules i just abused their generosity. I want to appeal as im not happy they are accusing me of lying. Im trying to get proof from hr and occupation health of this. Can i raise a grievence or complaint i have been accused of lying if i can prove them wrong. 

As Eamon has said in the first reply, this is not a court of law. To act fairly, in law, an employer does not need proof. They only need a "reasonable belief" that the misconduct took place. Even if that "reasonable belief" is subsequently proved to be wrong it does not change the outcome. All that matter is that the belief was reasonable at the time.

The employer is quite entitled to be appalled by the second paragraph I have highlighted. Your partner had no right to "burst" into the meeting. Doing so could be argued to be "abusive" in itself irrespective of what he said.

As is so often the case, looking at previous posts can be instructive: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5321260/signed-off-with-anxiety-monday/p1