Will being on payroll date stay at 31st October change? just started new job now lock down looming

tillycat123

After being unemployed for several months after being made redundant my son has finally started a new job 2nd December.

Not in a tear 4 area at the moment but if a national lock-down announced have I understood correctly that unless on the payroll end of October then there isn't any help by job retention/furlough?

Will this date move? Surely there are going to be so many people caught by this date as jobs have been lost and new jobs found only to be shut down again but this time no help as the date of needing to be on the books is almost 2 months ago now.

Thank you!

[Deleted User]

Unless you have a crystal ball than unfortunately no one can tell you whether schemes will be extended and dates changed. As it stands at the moment no he wouldn’t be entitled. Saying that though, regardless of dates it’s up to the discretion of the employer, if they said no, he couldn’t be on the scheme anyway. 

poppy12345

As it stands at the moment he won't be able to be furloughed. No one can predict what announcements, if any will be made in the future. They will never be able to please everyone and there will always be people that miss out.

Grumpy_chap

There is no change to the 31st October date at the moment.  Not even Tier 4 areas.
There may be a change if another lockdown is announced.  

MattMattMattUK

As above there is no change yet and it would be unlikely that there will be. The CJRS has long stopped being a job retention scheme and has largely become a well paid second tier of benefits, with it for many having just delayed redundancy, rather than retained the jobs long term. When you look at the figures that estimate that around half of the hours claimed as furlough are actually worked it also seems to be a largely fraudulent project.

Grumpy_chap

MattMattMattUK said:

As above there is no change yet and it would be unlikely that there will be.

You would like to think that, except, rather out of the blue, the end date was prolonged from end of March to end of April.

CreditCardJunkie

I have also been caught out with this. I'm in NI so everything is closing down from boxing day and as I just started a new job 2-3wks ago I am currently not eligible for furlough. As a married person with a mortgage and a husband on slightly more than minimum wage we are not eligible for universal credit or any benefits.

Grumpy_chap

CreditCardJunkie said:

I have also been caught out with this. I'm in NI so everything is closing down from boxing day and as I just started a new job 2-3wks ago I am currently not eligible for furlough. As a married person with a mortgage and a husband on slightly more than minimum wage we are not eligible for universal credit or any benefits.

You may be eligible for nJSA (the non-means-tested element) if your National Insurance contributions are sufficient.

CreditCardJunkie

Grumpy_chap said:

CreditCardJunkie said:

I have also been caught out with this. I'm in NI so everything is closing down from boxing day and as I just started a new job 2-3wks ago I am currently not eligible for furlough. As a married person with a mortgage and a husband on slightly more than minimum wage we are not eligible for universal credit or any benefits.

You may be eligible for nJSA (the non-means-tested element) if your National Insurance contributions are sufficient.

Is this still the case if I have a job tho (but am not receiving any money)? I would think I would have paid enough, I've worked full time and paid into the system since I left university over 6, years ago.

Jeremy535897

CreditCardJunkie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

CreditCardJunkie said:

I have also been caught out with this. I'm in NI so everything is closing down from boxing day and as I just started a new job 2-3wks ago I am currently not eligible for furlough. As a married person with a mortgage and a husband on slightly more than minimum wage we are not eligible for universal credit or any benefits.

You may be eligible for nJSA (the non-means-tested element) if your National Insurance contributions are sufficient.

Is this still the case if I have a job tho (but am not receiving any money)? I would think I would have paid enough, I've worked full time and paid into the system since I left university over 6, years ago.

If your contract of employment is not a zero hours contract, they should be paying you your wage, unless you agree not to be paid. The fact that they cannot claim CJRS in respect of you changes nothing.

For new style JSA, see:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/new-style-jobseekers-allowance

Grumpy_chap

CreditCardJunkie said:

Grumpy_chap said:

CreditCardJunkie said:

I have also been caught out with this. I'm in NI so everything is closing down from boxing day and as I just started a new job 2-3wks ago I am currently not eligible for furlough. As a married person with a mortgage and a husband on slightly more than minimum wage we are not eligible for universal credit or any benefits.

You may be eligible for nJSA (the non-means-tested element) if your National Insurance contributions are sufficient.

Is this still the case if I have a job tho (but am not receiving any money)? I would think I would have paid enough, I've worked full time and paid into the system since I left university over 6, years ago.

This may depend on what your circumstances were before you started the new job three weeks ago, and the detail of the new job, whether zero hours or not etc.

My wife was made redundant during the first lockdown so claimed nJSA.  She then got a new job, zero hours contract, and at the second lockdown the company stopped the work she was doing so no hours.  Job Centre advised she could re-start the nJSA claim until she actually got some hours again.(although, in the event she did not).  She is now back and they are keeping the work she was doing going for the current time, even though in Tier 4.

As Jeremy said, the employer should still pay you as per contract, which may mean nothing if zero hours.  It could also be a moot point as, with only 3 weeks' service, you can be dismissed at the drop of a hat.  That may temper how much "noise" you wish to make at work.

If you are not receiving any pay, then you have nothing to lose by contacting the Job Centre and asking.  There is nothing from the coronavirus support that I can see as available in this case.

Others may be along shortly with information whether there are any other benefits you may be eligible for.