Fortune and Freedom

doe808

snooloui said:

Another_Saver said:

aroominyork said:

It's clever by Farage. There are probably millions of people who have money they could invest but have no idea how to do so, and will think "finally here's someone I can trust to show me how to invest." Hopefully it will end up in tears for Farage and not for his clients, but he may have identified a gap in the market.

Frankly I have no care left for anyone who takes Farage (to rhyme with garage) seriously, good riddance to their savings. The people who got us in this mess ought to pay for it somehow. I just hope their inevitable losses if they act on his "advice" end up flowing my way. In most cons and scams the one duped is the one who pays for their stupidity, but with this they've forced it on the rest of us.

You hope people get defrauded because they voted differently? Oh dear.

To be fair to the poster, I dont think thats what is saying. More that markets tend to take advantage of people who do daft things.

Thrugelmir

Reaper said:

Thrugelmir said:

Reaper said:

And 10 days ago in an interview he said a no-deal Brexit will make the UK £9bn richer from tariffs alone. 

If the UK trades on WTO tariffs. The tax take will flow to the Treasury, this money can then be redistributed. There's two sides to every coin. 

You are assuming one way traffic. The EU will automatically impose tariffs on UK goods, damaging British exports. On top of that the EU negotiated tariff free trade with some other countries (eg Canada, Korea) which will no longer apply until/unless renegotiated (maybe some have, I gave up trying to follow every detail a while ago).

It will also make goods more expensive for UK consumers.

The minor UK tariffs on EU goods is not free money. 

There's a huge trade imbalance between the EU and the UK.  Currency fluctuations have a greater impact on the cost of goods than WTO tariffs will do in the main. The UK is a sizable market that other countries will continue to wish to trade with. 

Another_Saver

snooloui said:

Another_Saver said:

aroominyork said:

It's clever by Farage. There are probably millions of people who have money they could invest but have no idea how to do so, and will think "finally here's someone I can trust to show me how to invest." Hopefully it will end up in tears for Farage and not for his clients, but he may have identified a gap in the market.

Frankly I have no care left for anyone who takes Farage (to rhyme with garage) seriously, good riddance to their savings. The people who got us in this mess ought to pay for it somehow. I just hope their inevitable losses if they act on his "advice" end up flowing my way. In most cons and scams the one duped is the one who pays for their stupidity, but with this they've forced it on the rest of us.

You hope people get defrauded because they voted differently? Oh dear.

I said nothing about fraud or about voting, though I'm not surprised a passive aggressive type wilfully misunderstood me, please don't, it's cheap and brings the standard of the forum down.
Rather, I hope the market corrects this series of unfortunate events is soon corrected, capitalism is not supposed to reward people who are easily duped by a con man.

snooloui

Another_Saver said:

snooloui said:

Another_Saver said:

aroominyork said:

It's clever by Farage. There are probably millions of people who have money they could invest but have no idea how to do so, and will think "finally here's someone I can trust to show me how to invest." Hopefully it will end up in tears for Farage and not for his clients, but he may have identified a gap in the market.

Frankly I have no care left for anyone who takes Farage (to rhyme with garage) seriously, good riddance to their savings. The people who got us in this mess ought to pay for it somehow. I just hope their inevitable losses if they act on his "advice" end up flowing my way. In most cons and scams the one duped is the one who pays for their stupidity, but with this they've forced it on the rest of us.

You hope people get defrauded because they voted differently? Oh dear.

I said nothing about fraud or about voting, though I'm not surprised a passive aggressive type wilfully misunderstood me, please don't, it's cheap and brings the standard of the forum down.
Rather, I hope the market corrects this series of unfortunate events is soon corrected, capitalism is not supposed to reward people who are easily duped by a con man.

No I think what you said was very clear. I do apologise for bringing the standard down though, I will try harder in future.

cricidmuslibale

What most depressed me in the lead up to the 2016 referendum were the number of people (of both genders) saying something very like "I'm with Nigel Farage all the way. He's one of the few politicians that understands the needs of ordinary working people like me and cares about how I feel." I still don't fully understand how Farage managed to deceive so many people in this way and, in a similar vein, how Boris Johnson, up until the last few months at least, has managed to court so much popularity amongst 'ordinary working people' when he is so very far from 'ordinary' himself!

Another_Saver

snooloui said:

Another_Saver said:

snooloui said:

Another_Saver said:

aroominyork said:

It's clever by Farage. There are probably millions of people who have money they could invest but have no idea how to do so, and will think "finally here's someone I can trust to show me how to invest." Hopefully it will end up in tears for Farage and not for his clients, but he may have identified a gap in the market.

Frankly I have no care left for anyone who takes Farage (to rhyme with garage) seriously, good riddance to their savings. The people who got us in this mess ought to pay for it somehow. I just hope their inevitable losses if they act on his "advice" end up flowing my way. In most cons and scams the one duped is the one who pays for their stupidity, but with this they've forced it on the rest of us.

You hope people get defrauded because they voted differently? Oh dear.

I said nothing about fraud or about voting, though I'm not surprised a passive aggressive type wilfully misunderstood me, please don't, it's cheap and brings the standard of the forum down.
Rather, I hope the market corrects this series of unfortunate events is soon corrected, capitalism is not supposed to reward people who are easily duped by a con man.

No I think what you said was very clear. I do apologise for bringing the standard down though, I will try harder in future.

My apologies, I try to stay apolitical but when it comes to individual politicians I let loose. I think he never actually wanted Brexit to happen, he wanted it to be something he would campaign for his whole life and never get, like proportionate representation, abolishing the lords and now he doesn't know what to do with himself having achieved this thing that he perhaps never truly believed realistic, in the same way Thatcher once said she didn't believe there would be a female PM in her lifetime. And I enjoy a debate as much as anyone, but I don't like how Farage has so polarised us into two opposite and irreconcilable camps that fail to understand the other's point of view that it's become an identity. There was a poll done around the referendum I think, I can't find it now, trying to understand the difference between people who voted either way. All sorts of things came out of it like Leavers prefer men shaved and prefer ITV to BBC, Remainers prefer craft ale and country pubs without tellies, but the most significant was "have things gotten better or worse for you and people like you over the past 50 years?". So what this microcosm of a non-issue that got blown up into the defining question of our time really exposed was how badly managed the whole Thatchery/Blairy neo-liberal norm era has been. The numbers that swung the vote were the left behind, and I've seen no evidence yet that, regardless of their affiliation with Farage, whether they see him as just another politician, a comical character, or a folk hero, that May or BoJo are trying not to do that.

Hence for the small number of people who do take Farage seriously (I'll put it this way, Jeremy Clarkson is very entertaining but no one seriously wants him for PM)  I don't necessarily wish ill upon them, but in a few years when people who followed his advice lose big and complain to the Daily Fail, I expect to feel the pleasant "told you so" satisfaction that balance has been restored to capitalism.

Thrugelmir

Farage is a self publicist. Like Corbyn sits on the extremities of the political spectrum. When you dig deeper there's a lot not to like in their views. 

cricidmuslibale

Another_Saver said:

snooloui said:

Another_Saver said:

snooloui said:

Another_Saver said:

aroominyork said:

It's clever by Farage. There are probably millions of people who have money they could invest but have no idea how to do so, and will think "finally here's someone I can trust to show me how to invest." Hopefully it will end up in tears for Farage and not for his clients, but he may have identified a gap in the market.

Frankly I have no care left for anyone who takes Farage (to rhyme with garage) seriously, good riddance to their savings. The people who got us in this mess ought to pay for it somehow. I just hope their inevitable losses if they act on his "advice" end up flowing my way. In most cons and scams the one duped is the one who pays for their stupidity, but with this they've forced it on the rest of us.

You hope people get defrauded because they voted differently? Oh dear.

I said nothing about fraud or about voting, though I'm not surprised a passive aggressive type wilfully misunderstood me, please don't, it's cheap and brings the standard of the forum down.
Rather, I hope the market corrects this series of unfortunate events is soon corrected, capitalism is not supposed to reward people who are easily duped by a con man.

No I think what you said was very clear. I do apologise for bringing the standard down though, I will try harder in future.

My apologies, I try to stay apolitical but when it comes to individual politicians I let loose. I think he never actually wanted Brexit to happen, he wanted it to be something he would campaign for his whole life and never get, like proportionate representation, abolishing the lords and now he doesn't know what to do with himself having achieved this thing that he perhaps never truly believed realistic, in the same way Thatcher once said she didn't believe there would be a female PM in her lifetime. And I enjoy a debate as much as anyone, but I don't like how Farage has so polarised us into two opposite and irreconcilable camps that fail to understand the other's point of view that it's become an identity. There was a poll done around the referendum I think, I can't find it now, trying to understand the difference between people who voted either way. All sorts of things came out of it like Leavers prefer men shaved and prefer ITV to BBC, Remainers prefer craft ale and country pubs without tellies, but the most significant was "have things gotten better or worse for you and people like you over the past 50 years?". So what this microcosm of a non-issue that got blown up into the defining question of our time really exposed was how badly managed the whole Thatchery/Blairy neo-liberal norm era has been. The numbers that swung the vote were the left behind, and I've seen no evidence yet that, regardless of their affiliation with Farage, whether they see him as just another politician, a comical character, or a folk hero, that May or BoJo are trying not to do that.

Hence for the small number of people who do take Farage seriously (I'll put it this way, Jeremy Clarkson is very entertaining but no one seriously wants him for PM)  I don't necessarily wish ill upon them, but in a few years when people who followed his advice lose big and complain to the Daily Fail, I expect to feel the pleasant "told you so" satisfaction that balance has been restored to capitalism.

Funnily enough I'm a remainer that prefers craft ale (even better if it's real ale) and country pubs without tellies. However I also know at least one leaver that falls into this category and we argue (civilly) about Brexit on a frequent basis, although very sadly not in the pub at the moment!

bluefukurou

cricidmuslibale said:

What most depressed me in the lead up to the 2016 referendum were the number of people (of both genders) saying something very like "I'm with Nigel Farage all the way. He's one of the few politicians that understands the needs of ordinary working people like me and cares about how I feel." I still don't fully understand how Farage managed to deceive so many people in this way and, in a similar vein, how Boris Johnson, up until the last few months at least, has managed to court so much popularity amongst 'ordinary working people' when he is so very far from 'ordinary' himself!

It's depressing isn't it. Farage, IMHO, represents the archetypal snake oil salesman. He's so confident that he's right and he has an answer for almost everything; when he doesn't he employs tactics such as disparaging the questioner. There are many people who are ignorant about so much of what they see in the news and on tv. Within this group of people will be another group that are xenophobic/racist/bigoted/etc (take your pic), and it's with these people that Farage and his ilk have the most success. What's truly sad is just how many of these people there are.

masonic

bluefukurou said:

cricidmuslibale said:

What most depressed me in the lead up to the 2016 referendum were the number of people (of both genders) saying something very like "I'm with Nigel Farage all the way. He's one of the few politicians that understands the needs of ordinary working people like me and cares about how I feel." I still don't fully understand how Farage managed to deceive so many people in this way and, in a similar vein, how Boris Johnson, up until the last few months at least, has managed to court so much popularity amongst 'ordinary working people' when he is so very far from 'ordinary' himself!

It's depressing isn't it. Farage, IMHO, represents the archetypal snake oil salesman. He's so confident that he's right and he has an answer for almost everything; when he doesn't he employs tactics such as disparaging the questioner. There are many people who are ignorant about so much of what they see in the news and on tv. Within this group of people will be another group that are xenophobic/racist/bigoted/etc (take your pic), and it's with these people that Farage and his ilk have the most success. What's truly sad is just how many of these people there are.

His modus operandi is getting behind any radical cause unpopular enough not to succeed so that he can snipe from the sidelines that "if only you'd listened to me things would have been better". The current flavour is anti-lockdown/anti-masker (never mind that he had previously been calling for a lockdown when the Government seemed intent on avoiding one). He doesn't want the things he campaigns for to actually come to pass - if that happens then he will be exposed. He's been pretty skilful in his manipulation, with one obvious exception.

No doubt his "financial guidance" (always short of advice), to buy Bitcoin, judging by the articles on his site, would have been the perfect solution if it hadn't been for those meddling politicians.