Tier 3 travel - settle an argument

k3lvc

This thread proves the futility of it all. The whole question of 'should we only comply if it's law rather than guidance' seems to be a UK thing rather than being replicated in other countries

The overall message of 'Stay the !!!!!! at home' doesn't seem to get through and too many are looking for reasons why their circumstances are special and therefore why they deserve a night out with friends/short trip away/travel to another region for dinner or a bit more freedom. 

Not sure what the answer is but suspect there won't be much positive movement until Easter now unless we have a significant change of behaviors

strawb_shortcake

elsien said:

annabanana82 said:

In theory I can't go to my local shops, we are half a mile from being in tier 2 rather than tier 3. On the plus side FB has been quite entertaining and enlightening, the fact that quite a few people don't appear to know what county they live in is quite bizarre 

I do know a few people whose postal address and postcode is in a tier 3 area but they fall within remit of a tier 2 area for official local authority that they pay council tax to. Which do you go with, postcode or official county? 

Our boundaries are quite clear, but we do have a neighbouring postcode of the next county, this is more of a throwback from when the county of Avon existed I assume?? 
But sounds like your example is the reverse to ours.

Grumpy_chap

elsien said:

I do know a few people whose postal address and postcode is in a tier 3 area but they fall within remit of a tier 2 area for official local authority that they pay council tax to. Which do you go with, postcode or official county? 

Go with the local authority administrative boundary, i.e. council.

k3lvc said:

too many are looking for reasons why their circumstances are special and therefore why they deserve a night out with friends/short trip away/travel to another region for dinner or a bit more freedom. 

It is only in Tier 3 that hotels must close, and only in tier 3 that having an overnight stay out of the home is restricted.  So, the hotels that are open in Tier 1 & 2, require that people take breaks away from the home, otherwise the hotels will be open but empty, which would be absurd.  Especially over the Christmas period when there will not be many business people staying away for work.

Yahoo_Mail

k3lvc said:

This thread proves the futility of it all. The whole question of 'should we only comply if it's law rather than guidance' seems to be a UK thing rather than being replicated in other countries

The overall message of 'Stay the !!!!!! at home' doesn't seem to get through and too many are looking for reasons why their circumstances are special and therefore why they deserve a night out with friends/short trip away/travel to another region for dinner or a bit more freedom. 

Not sure what the answer is but suspect there won't be much positive movement until Easter now unless we have a significant change of behaviors

So why isn't it all law then?  Seems reasonable for people to conclude that if some of it law and some of it isn't, then the some of it that isn't is less important.

Jeremy535897

The guidance is at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-restriction-tiers-what-you-need-to-know

There is as yet no law to back it up (as we have not reached 2 December).
Advice for those in tier 2:

• you can continue to travel to venues or amenities which are open, but should aim to reduce the number of journeys you make where possible

• if you live in a tier 2 area, you must continue to follow tier 2 rules when you travel to a tier 1 area. Avoid travel to or overnight stays in tier 3 areas other than where necessary, such as for work, education, youth services, to receive medical treatment, or because of caring responsibilities. You can travel through a tier 3 area as a part of a longer journey

Advice for those in tier 3:

• you can continue to travel to venues or amenities which are open, but should aim to reduce the number of journeys you make where possible

• avoid travelling to other parts of the UK, including for overnight stays other than where necessary, such as for work, education, youth services, to receive medical treatment, or because of caring responsibilities. You can travel through other areas as part of a longer journey

Where you are in doubt as to which tier you are in, I would suggest that you follow the rules of the highest tier you could be in. Technically, I would assume it goes on council tax local authority.

sheramber

elsien said:

annabanana82 said:

In theory I can't go to my local shops, we are half a mile from being in tier 2 rather than tier 3. On the plus side FB has been quite entertaining and enlightening, the fact that quite a few people don't appear to know what county they live in is quite bizarre 

I do know a few people whose postal address and postcode is in a tier 3 area but they fall within remit of a tier 2 area for official local authority that they pay council tax to. Which do you go with, postcode or official county? 

you go with postcode

On Thursday 26 November the government will announce which areas are in which tier. You will be able to use the postcode checker to find out the restrictions in your area or an area you plan to visit. The NHS COVID-19 app will be updated on 2 December.

The new rules will come into effect from the beginning of Wednesday 2 December.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-restriction-tiers-what-you-need-to-know

Jeremy535897

sheramber said:

elsien said:

annabanana82 said:

In theory I can't go to my local shops, we are half a mile from being in tier 2 rather than tier 3. On the plus side FB has been quite entertaining and enlightening, the fact that quite a few people don't appear to know what county they live in is quite bizarre 

I do know a few people whose postal address and postcode is in a tier 3 area but they fall within remit of a tier 2 area for official local authority that they pay council tax to. Which do you go with, postcode or official county? 

you go with postcode

On Thursday 26 November the government will announce which areas are in which tier. You will be able to use the postcode checker to find out the restrictions in your area or an area you plan to visit. The NHS COVID-19 app will be updated on 2 December.

The new rules will come into effect from the beginning of Wednesday 2 December.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-restriction-tiers-what-you-need-to-know

The postcode checker is back up after crashing earlier. See https://www.gov.uk/find-coronavirus-local-restrictions

On mine it says XXX council is in X tier, so I think it assumes your postcode and local authority give the same answer, but if they don't, the local authority area is what I think matters.