Tier 3 travel - settle an argument

veryintrigued

On a zoom call today and one participant suggested that travelling to a tier 2 area for an overnight stay, whilst morally wrong, wasn't against the law.

Another participant went ballistic.

Who (neither are me) is correct in law?

Jeremy535897

Detailed rules are here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-restriction-tiers-what-you-need-to-know

k3lvc

This is going to turn into one of those 'law' vs 'restriction' threads. We're clearly told not to and my local places (tier 2) have already been warned re accepting bookings from those in tier 3 for either accommodation or food/drink with risk of license restrictions and penalty for repeat offenders.

From a public point of view probably more likelihood of being turned away than actual prosecution but then it'll depend on whether you pass the attitude test 

Maybe someone can show us the 'law' bit showing the penalties

Yahoo_Mail

k3lvc said:

This is going to turn into one of those 'law' vs 'restriction' threads. We're clearly told not to and my local places (tier 2) have already been warned re accepting bookings from those in tier 3 for either accommodation or food/drink with risk of license restrictions and penalty for repeat offenders.

From a public point of view probably more likelihood of being turned away than actual prosecution but then it'll depend on whether you pass the attitude test 

Maybe someone can show us the 'law' bit showing the penalties

Nobody will be able to because it isn't the law.  If it's the law they will say "must not" or "cannot." If it's guidance it will say "should not" or "avoid."  As the staying overnight in different tier areas (in hotels at least) is "avoid" rather than "must not," it is not the law.

strawb_shortcake

In theory I can't go to my local shops, we are half a mile from being in tier 2 rather than tier 3. On the plus side FB has been quite entertaining and enlightening, the fact that quite a few people don't appear to know what county they live in is quite bizarre 

Jeremy535897

We await new versions of the SIs issued on 12 October 2020 regarding the three tiers. These were revoked by the lockdown restrictions in https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/contents (The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) (No. 4) Regulations 2020). Whilst the latter had restrictions on movement, the 12 October ones did not.

veryintrigued

Jeremy535897 said:

Detailed rules are here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-restriction-tiers-what-you-need-to-know

Unfortunately these don't clarify (or maybe they do).

They don't use the 'must' word for travel but use the 'avoid'.

Jeremy535897

veryintrigued said:

Jeremy535897 said:

Detailed rules are here:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/local-restriction-tiers-what-you-need-to-know

Unfortunately these don't clarify (or maybe they do).

They don't use the 'must' word for travel but use the 'avoid'.

See my previous post. The new SIs for the revised tiers have yet to be enacted. They may or may not include restrictions on movement. As non-essential retail, gyms, hairdressers etc will be open, it would be illogical to forbid non-essential travel.

Grumpy_chap

It seems to me that the lockdown has not worked because most places are now in a higher tier than before lockdown.

Is there any indication of when the tiers will be reviewed, or for how long they are fixed?  Grumpy_chapess and I would be keen to book a Twixmas break, but where to go that we'll be able to actually go to?  I think it has to be somewhere in the same tier as we are.  Is that correct?

strawb_shortcake

Tiers are being reviewed every two weeks, I'm in tier 3 and I know I'm not meant to travel out of my area, but not sure about tier 2?? The few in tier 1 I'm not sure they'd want tourists from higher levels

elsien

annabanana82 said:

In theory I can't go to my local shops, we are half a mile from being in tier 2 rather than tier 3. On the plus side FB has been quite entertaining and enlightening, the fact that quite a few people don't appear to know what county they live in is quite bizarre 

I do know a few people whose postal address and postcode is in a tier 3 area but they fall within remit of a tier 2 area for official local authority that they pay council tax to. Which do you go with, postcode or official county?