Is a disengaged clutch the same as being in neutral?

Jonathan_Powell

Simply wrong. Especially if you are not on a steep hill, the car is kept in place with the clutch. I only potentially roll back if on a very steep hill. 

John_

Jonathan_Powell said:

Simply wrong. Especially if you are not on a steep hill, the car is kept in place with the clutch. I only potentially roll back if on a very steep hill. 

You are in a hole, stop digging. If your left foot is on the clutch then when your right foot lifts off the brake you’ll roll back. If you are going to claim that you’ve the clutch partially engaged then you’re wrong, as without your foot in the accelerator that’d stall the engine before it transferred enough torque to hold the car in place.

Jonathan_Powell

I'm not in a hole and you obviously don't know how to drive a manual. You can move the car forward just using the clutch. You're telling me that's not the case? How else do you move in slow traffic? 

On a slight incline, of course you can hold the car in position by just using the clutch. 

AdrianC

John_ said:

Jonathan_Powell said:

Scrapit said:

Jonathan_Powell said:

The same in regards to wear and tear. On a hill, I hardly use the handbrake and keep the car in gear with both the foot brake and clutch being all the way down. I have always been told that keeping a car on a hill by using the clutch is very bad but if you have the clutch all the way down does that save it? 

Regardless of if they are the same, you dont have enough feet. Foot 1 depresses the clutch, foot 2 holds down the brakes which holds the vehicle on the hill cos the hand brake isn't being used. When the way is clear to proceed you can't rev the car and reach the clutch biting point whilst holding position on the hill using the footbrake. Use the hand brake to hold the vehicle and use your left foot to adjust clutch, right foot car work the stop and go peddles as required. Or get an auto.

I just double checked and I do have enough feet...two.

When it's time to go I take my foot off the break and use the accelerator to go forward. Like everyone else who drives a manual...?

While you are transferring your foot from the brake (not break) to the accelerator the car is starting to roll backwards.

No, because he's slipping the clutch badly, enough to hold it.

It's not hard. It just requires a bit of basic foot control, and the mechanical sympathy of a chimp.

NottinghamKnight

Whilst it's worrying that the OP doesn't realise the implications of his actions, and may indicate low driving knowledge, it is up to them if they want to do this, it will cost several hundred pounds when the clutch fails prematurely but again personal choice.

Scrapit

Jonathan_Powell said:

Simply wrong. Especially if you are not on a steep hill, the car is kept in place with the clutch. I only potentially roll back if on a very steep hill. 

Absolute codswallop. You clearly mean you dont roll back that much at best.

Biggus_Dickus

NottinghamKnight said:

Whilst it's worrying that the OP doesn't realise the implications of his actions, and may indicate low driving knowledge, it is up to them if they want to do this, it will cost several hundred pounds when the clutch fails prematurely but again personal choice.

Have clutch plates have got progressively sturdier over the years, I wonder??

I gave up on ‘manual’ cars decades ago but clutches could be notoriously fickle;...if you treated them with respect they’d serve you ok but any form of over-indulgent ‘clutch riding’ would hasten its demise considerably.

Who can forget the first time they caught that unmistakable whiff of ‘scorching clutchplate’ as it entered the initial phase of its death throes;...not to mention the cost and inconvenience of replacing the sodding things.

Scrapit

NottinghamKnight said:

Whilst it's worrying that the OP doesn't realise the implications of his actions, and may indicate low driving knowledge, it is up to them if they want to do this, it will cost several hundred pounds when the clutch fails prematurely but again personal choice.

A lack of vehicle control is no ones choice. When he rolls if he hits a vehicle behind the reaction of the driver is completely outside of his control.

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Jonathan_Powell said:

The same in regards to wear and tear. On a hill, I hardly use the handbrake and keep the car in gear with both the foot brake and clutch being all the way down. I have always been told that keeping a car on a hill by using the clutch is very bad but if you have the clutch all the way down does that save it? 

Go and take some driving lessons again.

You sound like one of those prxxks that sit at the traffic lights for 10 minutes with foot planted on the brake blinding the person behind instead of applying the hand brake.

Jonathan_Powell

Scrapit said:

Jonathan_Powell said:

Simply wrong. Especially if you are not on a steep hill, the car is kept in place with the clutch. I only potentially roll back if on a very steep hill. 

Absolute codswallop. You clearly mean you dont roll back that much at best.

Kept in place / don't roll back. What's the difference?