Economy 9 and 10

DaveGain

Anyone know who can quote for economy 9 and 10 other than SSE and E.On?  Thank you

macman

Economy 9 is a new one on me?
Multi-meter/dual MPAN metering is onnly supported by the legacy supplier (we don't know your region), so there is litlte choice, and it's all expensive.
Your best bet is to bite the bullet and switch to E7 on a single meter. Do you really need those extra hours?

stewie_griffin

Modern E10 meters are two rate / single MPAN ( they're basically identical to E7 meters but with different switching times. I'm not sure if E9 is the same as this or like the old multi MPAN legacy style meters.

danrv

I have Economy 10 electric warm air and am stuck on paying very expensive rates (12p night/20p day).
Meter pic here. As I understand it, the mechanical timer governs when the meter switches.

Gerry1

Something doesn't look right in that photo.

The time seems to be 2:45am, the cheap rate is 9pm - 7am but the meter says it's Rate 2 which is Normal. 

danrv

Gerry1 said:

Something doesn't look right in that photo.

The time seems to be 2:45am, the cheap rate is 9pm - 7am but the meter says it's Rate 2 which is Normal. 

Thanks for spotting that. I’ve just figured out now how to read the timer.
My cheap rate is roughly 5.10am - 3.10pm. Hasn’t been reset for years. I took the photo probably late afternoon so would be Normal rate.

Eon said they can reset it but have kept as is for daytime cheap electric. 
Just wish it was Economy 7 so I could find a cheaper tariff.

Talldave

The clock has drifted, but @Gerry1's point stands - as photographed, the meter should be in night mode, rate 1. And it's not. Does it switch to rate 1 for 14 hours a day? Which way round is your bill being prepared? I suspect that label is wrong. 

20p is robbery, you can probably get close to 12p on a single rate!

As you only have a single meter, do you have two MPANs? What profile class are they (first two digits after S)?

danrv

Talldave said:

The clock has drifted, but @Gerry1's point stands - as photographed, the meter should be in night mode, rate 1. And it's not. Does it switch to rate 1 for 14 hours a day? Which way round is your bill being prepared? I suspect that label is wrong. 

20p is robbery, you can probably get close to 12p on a single rate!

As you only have a single meter, do you have two MPANs? What profile class are they (first two digits after S)?

Thanks for the reply. I’m assuming it switches to rate 1 for ten hrs. I only know this as Eon said it’s normally 9pm to 7pm. I’ve checked when it turns off but not on.

Not sure which way round the bill is prepared. It shows night use and day use.
I’ve checked with the DNO and I have one thirteen digit MPAN. No S.
Moving to a cheaper tariff would be a step in the right direction. 
One problem is my storage heater is 10kw. The other is I need to get rid of it and fit more modern ones.

Gerry1

danrv said:

I’m assuming it switches to rate 1 for ten hrs. I only know this as Eon said it’s normally 9pm to 7pm. I’ve checked when it turns off but not on.
Not sure which way round the bill is prepared. It shows night use and day use.

Oh dear, plenty of scope for things to be expensively wrong.  Never assume anything or rely on what you are told by someone in a call centre.  You could be being charged at peak rate for all your heating.

The Rate 1 and Rate 2 numbers on the bill are likely to be significantly different.  The figure that's closer to 33538 will probably be the one that was clocked up during the cheap rate period, but is it being billed at peak rate?  If the meter reader believes the sticky white label then it will be.

And of course, the clock drift is another joker in the pack !

Restricted Meter Good Practice Guide.pdf

danrv

Gerry1 said:

Oh dear, plenty of scope for things to be expensively wrong.  Never assume anything or rely on what you are told by someone in a call centre.  You could be being charged at peak rate for all your heating.

The Rate 1 and Rate 2 numbers on the bill are likely to be significantly different.  The figure that's closer to 33538 will probably be the one that was clocked up during the cheap rate period, but is it being billed at peak rate?  If the meter reader believes the sticky white label then it will be.

And of course, the clock drift is another joker in the pack !

Restricted Meter Good Practice Guide.pdf

On my bill, the night reading starts with ‘89’ and day one ‘36’ so I think they’re the right way round.
The photo was taken over a year ago so reading is much higher now,

I haven’t yet checked the on time as it’s in the middle of the night. I calculated it by counting back ten hrs from the off time. So what you’re saying is that E10 duration can be longer? I realize it’s completely out off the original set time but thought the ten hour 
slot is always retained. 
That would be down to the mechanical timer then as I don’t think it’s set by radio.

There was a suggestion here a while ago to keep the off peak as it is. It does mean the heater often charges during the day useful for washing machine, showers etc.

There’s a lot that needs to be changed here. The big one is type of electric heating, which in turn determines the type of tariff. 
I’m stuck paying this extortionate rate as I don’t think I can run the warm air heater on E7.

hozza94

macman said:

Economy 9 is a new one on me?
Multi-meter/dual MPAN metering is onnly supported by the legacy supplier (we don't know your region), so there is litlte choice, and it's all expensive.
Your best bet is to bite the bullet and switch to E7 on a single meter. Do you really need those extra hours?

Nah it's a London specific one, pretty much an E10 but with 1 fewer hour after lunch.
Just came off it a few months back!