Company charging for shipping - Consumer Rights Act

KeithP

MothballsWallet said:

KeithP said:

MothballsWallet said:

born_again said:

Did the packaging not state which version it was?
You must have a lot of land to do 4 miles on given it is illegal to use these on public land/roads. 

Just for clarity: does that include the pavements of public roads (if so, I see a lot of people use them on the pavements around here)?

They are a motor vehicle, therefore cannot be used on the pavement.

They are a motor vehicle, therefore need a number plate (and all the bureaucracy that goes with it) and the driver needs a Driving Licence covering the appropriate class of vehicle before they can be driven on the road. 

Then there are quite a few people in Coventry breaking the law then - 

And of course in the rest of the country.

Manxman_in_exile

MothballsWallet said:

KeithP said:

MothballsWallet said:

born_again said:

Did the packaging not state which version it was?
You must have a lot of land to do 4 miles on given it is illegal to use these on public land/roads. 

Just for clarity: does that include the pavements of public roads (if so, I see a lot of people use them on the pavements around here)?

They are a motor vehicle, therefore cannot be used on the pavement.

They are a motor vehicle, therefore need a number plate (and all the bureaucracy that goes with it) and the driver needs a Driving Licence covering the appropriate class of vehicle before they can be driven on the road. 

Then there are quite a few people in Coventry breaking the law then - I see several people riding these things around the pavements in the city centre and near my house.

No point in reporting them - by the time the fuzz turn up in their diesel Astras, the scooters will be long gone, even if the local fuzz give a dam about doing anything.

Here in Norwich they're all over the place - roads and pavements.  I thought the law must have changed to make them streetlegal.

The ones I'm talking about are the for hire ones that have been introduced along with the "beryl"(?) hire bikes.  The scooters are a menace on the roads and the pavements.  How can it be a "legal" business to hire electric scooters that can't legally be used on either the roads or pavements?  (The locations of the stands they are stationed at mean that they can only be used on roads or pavements).

jon81uk

Manxman_in_exile said:

MothballsWallet said:

KeithP said:

MothballsWallet said:

born_again said:

Did the packaging not state which version it was?
You must have a lot of land to do 4 miles on given it is illegal to use these on public land/roads. 

Just for clarity: does that include the pavements of public roads (if so, I see a lot of people use them on the pavements around here)?

They are a motor vehicle, therefore cannot be used on the pavement.

They are a motor vehicle, therefore need a number plate (and all the bureaucracy that goes with it) and the driver needs a Driving Licence covering the appropriate class of vehicle before they can be driven on the road. 

Then there are quite a few people in Coventry breaking the law then - I see several people riding these things around the pavements in the city centre and near my house.

No point in reporting them - by the time the fuzz turn up in their diesel Astras, the scooters will be long gone, even if the local fuzz give a dam about doing anything.

Here in Norwich they're all over the place - roads and pavements.  I thought the law must have changed to make them streetlegal.

The ones I'm talking about are the for hire ones that have been introduced along with the "beryl"(?) hire bikes.  The scooters are a menace on the roads and the pavements.  How can it be a "legal" business to hire electric scooters that can't legally be used on either the roads or pavements?  (The locations of the stands they are stationed at mean that they can only be used on roads or pavements).

The law has been changed on a trial basis, scooters for hire are permitted. 
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-scooter-trials-guidance-for-users

Privately owned scooters are still not allowed on public roads or pavements.

Manxman_in_exile

In Norwich the police shouldn't even need to turn up to catch 'em!  There's a Beryl Bike bay at the corner of the Town Hall about 100yds from the police station...

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Ah!  I've just read a bit more.  This article claims that these ones can be used on the roads and anywhere you can use a bike legally.  Says they have DfT approval.  Are these the same sort of things?  (How many types of e-scooter are there?)

https://cyclingindustry.news/beryl-launch-new-e_scooter-trial-in-norwich/

So they are legal?

(That photograph is taken right outside the City Hall and police station).

EDIT:  And reading that article in more detail - you need a driving licence during the 12 month trial period?

EDIT2:  Sorry - cross posted with jon81uk.  So hire scooters are legal, but you need a driving licence.  I'd be very surprised if every rider I've seen in Norwich had a driving licence.

born_again

Manxman_in_exile said:

In Norwich the police shouldn't even need to turn up to catch 'em!  There's a Beryl Bike bay at the corner of the Town Hall about 100yds from the police station...

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Ah!  I've just read a bit more.  This article claims that these ones can be used on the roads and anywhere you can use a bike legally.  Says they have DfT approval.  Are these the same sort of things?  (How many types of e-scooter are there?)

https://cyclingindustry.news/beryl-launch-new-e_scooter-trial-in-norwich/

So they are legal?

(That photograph is taken right outside the City Hall and police station).

EDIT:  And reading that article in more detail - you need a driving licence during the 12 month trial period?

EDIT2:  Sorry - cross posted with jon81uk.  So hire scooters are legal, but you need a driving licence.  I'd be very surprised if every rider I've seen in Norwich had a driving licence.

From the link you posted..

Councillor Wilby added, “It’s important to note that while this is a government-backed trial, it is still illegal to use privately owned e-scooters on the highway

Keep_pedalling

I think the reason that hire scooters are being allowed is that they are limited to 15mph, unlike the one the OP purchased which is far more dangerous.

neilmcl

Keep_pedalling said:

I think the reason that hire scooters are being allowed is that they are limited to 15mph, unlike the one the OP purchased which is far more dangerous.

They're only being allowed in certain places under a UK trial. Nottingham City are also doing a trial. No law has yet been passed to allow them to be ridden on public land beyond this, and even/when it comes expect the use to be limited to 15mph and possibly licensed and/or taxed. Actually, a lot, if not all, of these 30mph+ escooters tend to be sold in the UK initially limited to 15mph but this can easily be removed by the owner or seller.

deanos

Was it bought in the UK ? or just a co.uk website address 

photome

deanos said:

Was it bought in the UK ? or just a co.uk website address 

I was thinking the same , hopefully the OP will return and update