replacing hob and oven in the most fuss-free non-DIY way? quick questions?

me1000uk

Hi there,
I'm hoping this is a relatively easy question. If I replace an ancient electric hob and oven (those slow heating hotplate things) with a ceramic hob and new oven, is it straightforward for the installer from Curry's or whoever I purchase from or can they refuse unless everything is perfect for them based upon the below.

1) Is the 'cutout' from the hob important or can they usually adjust to that? The old hob sticks out so I can't actually tell how big the cutout is, as potentially there's an overlap. Will the installer struggle if it needs to be cut more or something if sizes are nearby. It's some cheapo countertop so I assume can be cut.
2) Do I need to worry too much about the electrics? The oven and cooker both switch on from the same red switch on the wall and in the fusebox thing by the door the one labelled cooker (which I assume is for both oven and hob) has B32 on it.
From general reading most hob/oven combos shouldn't need a wiring upgrade (it's apparently good practice but not essential for this context) or anything and it would be a straight swap for the installer (ceramic probably a safer bet than induction in terms of acceptable power?)

Appreciate any quick tips for the above 2 questions. If ordering the appliances and getting an electrician to install separately is better value then of course any extra saving helps. Just want it fuss free as I've budgeted for the device with a little bit for install. There's no gas and no DIY options and it's a case of simply not wanting to purchase something that won't be installable and having to faff about with a return/refund because the installer is fussy about the countertop.

Any help is greatly appreciated
Thanks!!!

Homer_home

If you open the oven door you will see screws down the side , remove these and you can pull the oven out and you will able to measure the hob cutout.

Do you not have a friend who is handy on the tools? Replacing the hob and oven is very straightforward especially as you appear to have the correct electrical installation

FreeBear

Homer_home said: If you open the oven door you will see screws down the side , remove these and you can pull the oven out and you will able to measure the hob cutout.

Cut outs for electric hobs are all pretty much similar sizes for a like for like hob. If you are real lucky, the oven may be fitted with a 13A plug (so that would be dead easy to change).

I had one of those "slow heating hot plate" type hobs when I refitted my kitchen - Lasted less than a week before I replaced it with an induction hob. Loving the induction (as good as gas for most things), but did have to bung out on new pans.

When you go shopping for a new hob, do have a look at induction, especially if you have small children around.

me1000uk

Thanks for the responses. After googling the images of ancient hobs I think I found a similar model and downloaded the manual. The cutout is smaller than the top of the hob, and the cutout itself according to the manual seems a touch small when looking at any ceramic or induction hob on the market. 557x477 mm and most cutouts seem standard at 560x490 so I'm off by 3mm and 13 mm.
So if an installer came over via currys or John lewis or something, can they manage if the counter cutout is the wrong size? As it seems to need enlarging or is that some kind of joinery that's beyond their scope?

Thanks again

Jumblebumble

me1000uk said:

Thanks for the responses. After googling the images of ancient hobs I think I found a similar model and downloaded the manual. The cutout is smaller than the top of the hob, and the cutout itself according to the manual seems a touch small when looking at any ceramic or induction hob on the market. 557x477 mm and most cutouts seem standard at 560x490 so I'm off by 3mm and 13 mm.
So if an installer came over via currys or John lewis or something, can they manage if the counter cutout is the wrong size? As it seems to need enlarging or is that some kind of joinery that's beyond their scope?

Thanks again

Enlarging a Cutout simply needs a jigsaw 
I would expect any competent installer to have one in their van as they must be sometimes installing to brand new worktops with no cut out
You could do worse that painting on some glue like getacore  onto the cut out faces
Miele say

The veneer or laminate coatings of

worktops (or adjacent kitchen units)

must be treated with 100 °C

heat-resistant adhesive which will not

dissolve or distort.

me1000uk

Jumblebumble said:

me1000uk said:

Thanks for the responses. After googling the images of ancient hobs I think I found a similar model and downloaded the manual. The cutout is smaller than the top of the hob, and the cutout itself according to the manual seems a touch small when looking at any ceramic or induction hob on the market. 557x477 mm and most cutouts seem standard at 560x490 so I'm off by 3mm and 13 mm.
So if an installer came over via currys or John lewis or something, can they manage if the counter cutout is the wrong size? As it seems to need enlarging or is that some kind of joinery that's beyond their scope?

Thanks again

Enlarging a Cutout simply needs a jigsaw 
I would expect any competent installer to have one in their van as they must be sometimes installing to brand new worktops with no cut out
You could do worse that painting on some glue like getacore  onto the cut out faces
Miele say

The veneer or laminate coatings of

worktops (or adjacent kitchen units)

must be treated with 100 °C

heat-resistant adhesive which will not

dissolve or distort.

Sounds good. That is reassuring, you would think some installs will be fresh ones. I will check about the adhesive, good tip.

I guess the next step is to see if some of these shops are willing to budge on double the labour charges for the oven and hob rather than combining them
Thanks again.

EssexExile

Ask whoever you intend to buy from whether their installers are capable of doing the changes required. Some send competent, equipped, qualified people while others send a lorry driver with a screwdriver.

macman

Best to assume that, if you buy from Currys, then just getting it off the van and into your kitchen without incident is 'beyond their scope'...buy from somewhere decent. JL will give you at least a 2 year warranty on all electricals.

Homer_home

FreeBear said:

Homer_home said: If you open the oven door you will see screws down the side , remove these and you can pull the oven out and you will able to measure the hob cutout.

Cut outs for electric hobs are all pretty much similar sizes for a like for like hob. If you are real lucky, the oven may be fitted with a 13A plug (so that would be dead easy to change).

I had one of those "slow heating hot plate" type hobs when I refitted my kitchen - Lasted less than a week before I replaced it with an induction hob. Loving the induction (as good as gas for most things), but did have to bung out on new pans.

When you go shopping for a new hob, do have a look at induction, especially if you have small children around.

Correct but similar sizes is no good for the op she needs to know for sure and in this case her current cutout is too small......

Personally I still think a mate who is handy on the tools is a better option (and much cheaper too)

me1000uk

Homer_home said:

FreeBear said:

Homer_home said: If you open the oven door you will see screws down the side , remove these and you can pull the oven out and you will able to measure the hob cutout.

Cut outs for electric hobs are all pretty much similar sizes for a like for like hob. If you are real lucky, the oven may be fitted with a 13A plug (so that would be dead easy to change).

I had one of those "slow heating hot plate" type hobs when I refitted my kitchen - Lasted less than a week before I replaced it with an induction hob. Loving the induction (as good as gas for most things), but did have to bung out on new pans.

When you go shopping for a new hob, do have a look at induction, especially if you have small children around.

Correct but similar sizes is no good for the op she needs to know for sure and in this case her current cutout is too small......

Personally I still think a mate who is handy on the tools is a better option (and much cheaper too)

Thanks (I'm a 'he' btw but no issues). The problem I face is that it's on a top floor flat so to dispose of and install is probably worth getting the supplier to do that. I'm sure an electrician or someone will be cheaper but they may not fancy getting rid of 50kg worth of appliance up a few sets of stairs!

I'm facing another potential issue in that the companies I'm calling are resistant to wanting to provide installation as they say the 32A supply with both oven+hob connected to the same cooker switch is against manufacturer policy and recommendations.
According to google the load is not too much an issue as they won't be all going full pelt at the same time. Just wondering if anyone has come across this issue or knows what brands allow this type of connection? A rewiring isn't really an option unless there's a straightforward electrical solution.
Any tips appreciated and thanks to everyone for the response.

fenwick458

me1000uk said:

I'm facing another potential issue in that the companies I'm calling are resistant to wanting to provide installation as they say the 32A supply with both oven+hob connected to the same cooker switch is against manufacturer policy and recommendations.

I often come up against this, people quoting the manufacturers "recommendations" like they are the only rule that matters.
why do you need a supply bigger that  32A for an oven and a hob?? If I want to connect a 7kw hob and a 4kw oven, using the diversity calculation it's possible to connect these using only 2.5mm cable
most houses have a 6mm cable, so I can't see the problem.