New build service charges and possessory title

AdrianC

princeofpounds said:

RelievedSheff said:
Fleecehold is nothing to do with management charges.

Fleecehold relates to leasehold properties.

Once again the two have been completely mixed up.

Well, each to their own when it comes to the definition of words - this is not the Academie Francaise - but the top three results in google all refer to it as a problem applying freehold tenure.
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So the collective wisdom of the interweb begs to differ. Yes, 'fleece' rhymes with lease. But it also begins with F and has the 'ee' sound. 

To be honest, I think it's an appropriate word for any situation where the form of tenure is being exploited, leasehold or freehold.

"Fleecehold" is a made-up term used by people flouncing because they didn't bother to read or understand what they were buying before buying it.

It carries no legal weight whatsoever in any context, and is basically a synonym for "Wah, it's so unfair".

badger09

Sort of a tangent , but can someone please tell me how to check whether a particular road has been adopted by the local authority or not.

princeofpounds

AdrianC said:

"Fleecehold" is a made-up term used by people flouncing because they didn't bother to read or understand what they were buying before buying it.

It carries no legal weight whatsoever in any context, and is basically a synonym for "Wah, it's so unfair".

LOL I have no disagreement with that.

davidmcn

badger09 said:

Sort of a tangent , but can someone please tell me how to check whether a particular road has been adopted by the local authority or not.

You ask them. The info is often on their website.

Or you make an educated guess based on its state of repair (versus adjoining roads), whether it appears to have council street furniture on it, whether there's a sign at the start of it saying "private road", etc.

Titus_Wadd

RelievedSheff said:

Titus_Wadd said:

Now would be the time to rethink; we have lived under the strange regime of our site's developers for 2 years and it's not been easy.  We weighed up the pros and cons when we purchased and got a good deal because our vendors were desperate to move.  But it's not for everyone.

I'm intrigued as to why you say living under a regime.

We have been living in our new build for 18 months now and can't say that we have found living on a new build estate any different to when we lived on our previous 1930's estate.

There's a police investigation currently; nothing terrible happened fortunately but I discovered 2 things yesterday:

(1) I'm dealing with nutters.

(b) I'm stronger than I look at 4'12"!  and

I fear the final story will be far less interesting than these teasers, well, that's what I'm hoping anyway.

badger09

davidmcn said:

badger09 said:

Sort of a tangent , but can someone please tell me how to check whether a particular road has been adopted by the local authority or not.

You ask them. The info is often on their website.

Or you make an educated guess based on its state of repair (versus adjoining roads), whether it appears to have council street furniture on it, whether there's a sign at the start of it saying "private road", etc.

I've actually tried searching, but don't know the terms to use. Nothing I've tried comes up with any info.

There is no Private Road sign, is only a few years old, so state of repair tells me nothing, and I wouldn't know the difference between council and non council street furniture.

davidmcn

badger09 said:

davidmcn said:

badger09 said:

Sort of a tangent , but can someone please tell me how to check whether a particular road has been adopted by the local authority or not.

You ask them. The info is often on their website.

Or you make an educated guess based on its state of repair (versus adjoining roads), whether it appears to have council street furniture on it, whether there's a sign at the start of it saying "private road", etc.

I've actually tried searching, but don't know the terms to use. Nothing I've tried comes up with any info.

There is no Private Road sign, is only a few years old, so state of repair tells me nothing, and I wouldn't know the difference between council and non council street furniture.

Which council is it? Point us towards the road and we might have a better idea than you.
Why do you want to find out anyway?

eidand

RelievedSheff said:

eidand said:

wait, let me get this right ....

1. someone has the right to come into your property
2. you have to pay someone for their permission to have a shed in your own garden.

I don't know what you're buying but that is not a freehold property.
I am sure someone will be along telling you this is all normal, but, sorry, no, this is most definitely not normal and not acceptable. I'd buy an actual freehold instead not a fake one.

Our previous 1930's Freehold property had a list of covenants and restrictions. It is certainly nothing new.

I don't have a problem with certain covenants, many houses have some.
What I have an issue is those trying to tell me that some dufus is allowed to come in to collect some sort of rent. And if I want a damn shed then I am most certainly not going to pay some other dufus for the privilege of getting one in my own garden!
These are not normal at all

badger09

davidmcn said:

badger09 said:

davidmcn said:

badger09 said:

Sort of a tangent , but can someone please tell me how to check whether a particular road has been adopted by the local authority or not.

You ask them. The info is often on their website.

Or you make an educated guess based on its state of repair (versus adjoining roads), whether it appears to have council street furniture on it, whether there's a sign at the start of it saying "private road", etc.

I've actually tried searching, but don't know the terms to use. Nothing I've tried comes up with any info.

There is no Private Road sign, is only a few years old, so state of repair tells me nothing, and I wouldn't know the difference between council and non council street furniture.

Which council is it? Point us towards the road and we might have a better idea than you.
Why do you want to find out anyway?

Telford & Wrekin. Several large & small new estates have been built in recent years and a lot more are in development now. I wanted information on their general policy, and would prefer not to specify a particular road at the moment. It isn't just idle curiosity.

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Some of the covenants are normal as is the estate charge. These are not regulated like leasehold properties and commonly called Fleeceholds. 

What is a major concern is the Rent Charge and the right to enter your house and take possession if its not paid. 

This article explains well. 

https://wslaw.co.uk/insight/rentcharges-a-plague-on-your-houses/

Personally I would not buy a house subject to a rent charge, and the fact that house was built by Persimmon would make me run at a 100 miles in the opposite direction. ( see Trustpilot reviews - only the real ones not the fake ones )