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PCN for leaving site
sav100
Posts: 12 Forumite
A family member has received a NTK for a PCN in relation to the driver allegedly leaving the site.
The driver has not been identified and no appeal has yet been submitted.
All that is attached to the NTK and online, are photos showing the vehicle parked at the time/date of the alleged contravention.
There is nothing showing the driver leaving or having left the site. Do they need to provide or prove this?
The driver has not been identified and no appeal has yet been submitted.
All that is attached to the NTK and online, are photos showing the vehicle parked at the time/date of the alleged contravention.
There is nothing showing the driver leaving or having left the site. Do they need to provide or prove this?
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Who issued it? can we can keep this short and sweet please......
I assume its going to be UKCPS?
If so simple few sentences to deny leaving site
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6200216/ravenside-retail-park-chesterfield/p5
Follow the guidance ive given there, it really doesn't need pages and pages -10 minutes max, takes longer to fill the online form out then the actual appeal
For anyone who has seen Key Parking solutions "leaving site" cases they literally submit about 20 pages of "Evidence" but never any evidence that the person left site. So easy to beat.....2 -
No-one should mislead. Only deny if you can prove the driver never left the site.
It is perfectly correct to reply that they have provided only photos of a vehicle but not evidence that anyone left the site. It is for the ppc to *prove* their case.
As keeper you may not know what the driver did or did not do (so you can just elect to require it to be proven).
If court proceedings are commenced, the usual form wording for an allegation that is for a claimant to prove is:
"it is neither admitted nor denied that"... Followed by "the claimant is put to strict proof"
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Hopefully it will be UKPC and easy to win at POPLA. Like the other one that we hope this OP read, posted only yesterday.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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I've yet to see a ppc ever prove anyone has left siteJohnersh said:No-one should mislead. Only deny if you can prove the driver never left the site.
It is perfectly correct to reply that they have provided only photos of a vehicle but not evidence that anyone left the site. It is for the ppc to *prove* their case.
As keeper you may not know what the driver did or did not do (so you can just elect to require it to be proven).
If court proceedings are commenced, the usual form wording for an allegation that is for a claimant to prove is:
"it is neither admitted nor denied that"... Followed by "the claimant is put to strict proof"2 -
No issue with your experience. I'm certainly not aware of any ppc ever calling evidence from a "proper witness" like a parking attendant.
I do have an issue with a forumite positively denying leaving if, in fact, there is any possibility the driver did. To do so may be to create a hostage to fortune. That's all.
For obvious reasons best the o/p doesn't state the factual position one way or another on here.2 -
"Hi everyone. Got my hearing in October, so just preparing my witness statement."As a matter of interest has the hearing on your other thread taken place?If so can you update the above thread accordingly.1
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In the case updated yesterday with Care Parking, they did just that to POPLA.Johnersh said:No issue with your experience. I'm certainly not aware of any ppc ever calling evidence from a "proper witness" like a parking attendant.
But I want the OP to find it rather than feed links, which defeats the object of newbies using the forum properly and learning from it and how to research. No link given by me...go read it, OP.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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Which parking firm? 🥱Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street1 -
My money is on UKCPS.....10/1 ?Umkomaas said:Which parking firm? 🥱1 -
I say UKPC.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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