Dell vs HP laptop

Were_Doomed

HereToday said:

Were_Doomed said:

Real world isn't laboratory benchmarks. Yes, the Intel CPU may render a web page 250 ms faster (for example) ... in the real world a user is unlikely to notice this.

Also factor in that the Dell laptop is currently £30 more than the HP ... adding RAM and changing the SSD will add to that cost.

The DELL is cheaper...

Is it? Not according to the OP:

HtoO said:

Hi, I'm hoping there are some laptop gurus who would give an opinion / review on the pros & cons, specification and quality of a couple of laptops at Currys. Dell Inspiron 17 3793 17.3" Laptop Intel® Core™ i5-1035G1 Processor, 1 TB HDD (5400 rpm), 128 GB SSD, 8 GB DDR4 RAM (2666 MHz) , product code: 852824. Currently £729.00 (was £699.00 last week). HP 17-ca1500na 17.3" AMD Ryzen 5 3500U Processor, 1 TB HDD (5400 rpm), 256 GB SSD, 16 GB DDR4 RAM, product code: 265281. Currently £699.00. The Dell is categorised as an "All rounder" and the HP as "Everyday". 

I know ... you'll riposte with "But what about the 10% new customer offer?". That only applies if the OP buys from Dell and if that model is available. 🙄

HereToday

Were_Doomed said:

HereToday said:

Were_Doomed said:

Real world isn't laboratory benchmarks. Yes, the Intel CPU may render a web page 250 ms faster (for example) ... in the real world a user is unlikely to notice this.

Also factor in that the Dell laptop is currently £30 more than the HP ... adding RAM and changing the SSD will add to that cost.

The DELL is cheaper...

Is it? Not according to the OP:

HtoO said:

Hi, I'm hoping there are some laptop gurus who would give an opinion / review on the pros & cons, specification and quality of a couple of laptops at Currys. Dell Inspiron 17 3793 17.3" Laptop Intel® Core™ i5-1035G1 Processor, 1 TB HDD (5400 rpm), 128 GB SSD, 8 GB DDR4 RAM (2666 MHz) , product code: 852824. Currently £729.00 (was £699.00 last week). HP 17-ca1500na 17.3" AMD Ryzen 5 3500U Processor, 1 TB HDD (5400 rpm), 256 GB SSD, 16 GB DDR4 RAM, product code: 265281. Currently £699.00. The Dell is categorised as an "All rounder" and the HP as "Everyday". 

I know ... you'll riposte with "But what about the 10% new customer offer?". That only applies if the OP buys from Dell and if that model is available. 🙄

Clearly what you think you know is wrong.

I posted a linked to the DELL from Curry's eBay website, selling the same device for £692.55. The discount has now been removed.

HereToday

Neither are worth the price tag attached. Have sent the OP a PM.

HtoO

I don't profess to be anywhere close to being a Laptop Guru but I think the processor speed isn't the only factor to be considered. Just because the Intel appears to be faster in the Benchmarks test doesn't make it better. I think the operating temperatures are a factor to be considered. Intel get hot and need a lot of cooling. There are quite a few reviews on Currys about the Dell getting very hot and the fan always running and noisy which may substantiate this. AMD don't run as hot and don't need as much cooling. I know from my electrical background that electrical / electronics don't function as efficiently or as well when running too hot. For me, I'd rather have a cooler running processor with less need for cooling, than a processor that runs hotter and needs a lot of cooling. Given that the faster speed of the Intel will not equate out to a noticeable difference to me in any task my laptop will do, I will always go for the AMD. Another factor I remember from a test I saw on tv years ago (Which may not be relevant now. I don't know enough about the code / language that is used in modern computing), is just that. The code / language that is to be processed matters a lot. The test proved without doubt that depending on the code / language used, a slower processor could complete a given task quicker than  it's faster counterpart. (That's just something that has stuck with me). This leads me to think that pure speed isn't everything to be considered.

I get it, that if I found myself needing to upgrade my RAM & SSD I could do so if I got the Dell. For me, that may be something that happens a long time in the future and by then things will have moved on so much so that I'd be better upgrading to a newer laptop altogether. My current laptop is 9 years old and things have moved on a lot. SSD being a big one. I'm guessing that any PC using SSD for it's OS & apps will take a lot longer than my current HDD laptop to shows signs of slowing. If it's correct that SSD will run slower as it's storage gets closer to capacity I'd rather have the larger SSD. Same goes for RAM. 

I know I may be able to get either laptop cheaper if I shopped around but I'm happier using Currys.

Were_Doomed

HtoO said:

I know I may be able to get either laptop cheaper if I shopped around but I'm happier using Currys.

Probably the first time that has been said around here!  

PS ... as far as I'm aware the 10th gen Intel CPU runs cooler - it has a lower power rating for the same speed as the 9th gen.

HtoO

Were_Doomed said:

HtoO said:

I know I may be able to get either laptop cheaper if I shopped around but I'm happier using Currys.

Probably the first time that has been said around here!  

PS ... as far as I'm aware the 10th gen Intel CPU runs cooler - it has a lower power rating for the same speed as the 9th gen.

Yes, your right, it does look odd on MSE to say that.  I should have explained it. Currently, I think due to more people working from home, laptops are invariably "out of stock" just about everywhere. Currys have what I want and "In stock". I wouldn't like to miss it by spending too much time shopping around. Currys keep selling out aswell. I've ordered the HP and collect it tomorrow. Out of interest on the CPU thing, do you know if it's cooler than AMD?

Were_Doomed

There are any number of comparisons online between the two CPUs; for example:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-3500U-vs-Intel-Core-i5-1035G1/3421vs3558

This shows that both have the same power consumption (TDP) of 15W. To compare, my own laptop has the 9th gen i5 9300H and this has a TDP of 45W.

J_B

HtoO said:

I know I may be able to get either laptop cheaper if I shopped around but I'm happier using Currys.

Dare I ask why?

neilmcl

J_B said:

HtoO said:

I know I may be able to get either laptop cheaper if I shopped around but I'm happier using Currys.

Dare I ask why?

I think they answered that.

HereToday

HtoO said:

Were_Doomed said:

HtoO said:

I know I may be able to get either laptop cheaper if I shopped around but I'm happier using Currys.

Probably the first time that has been said around here!  

PS ... as far as I'm aware the 10th gen Intel CPU runs cooler - it has a lower power rating for the same speed as the 9th gen.

Yes, your right, it does look odd on MSE to say that.  I should have explained it. Currently, I think due to more people working from home, laptops are invariably "out of stock" just about everywhere. Currys have what I want and "In stock". I wouldn't like to miss it by spending too much time shopping around. Currys keep selling out aswell. I've ordered the HP and collect it tomorrow. Out of interest on the CPU thing, do you know if it's cooler than AMD?

They may show out of stock because they are old. The DELL from 2019. That's why you can find it cheaper on the Returns circuit. £559.20 for 'as new', as I showed to you. 
Intel already on their 11th Gen.
Also the DELL is from their Budget range. 3 Series. There is also 5, 7 and 9. So expect corresponding build quality.

HP also on the previous generation of mobile Ryzen CPU. Old but still expensive. I would have waited.