Cheap Gaming PC

getmore4less

listed in this link
https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/awd-kolink-observ-lite-mesh-3200g-3400g-3100rx570-gaming-systems-from-ps26494-3564861#

in budget(£360) and a good start to look for,  will it do the job, something better with the change from £400 or need more money
 is this one........

& now here is my favourite Budget Gaming System for under £400.00
Ryzen 3 3100 £95
Kolink Observ Lite £55
CoolMaster 500w £38
240GB SSD £24
8GB Ram £27
A320 Motherboard £42
+ RX570 Typical £115 item
Part Value: £396 / Their Selling price: £357.84
Extras/upgrades:
16GB Team Ram: +£28.99
1TB Harddrive + £33.99
Dual Wifi: £20.99
* If budget allows get 3100+rx570 over the Vegas, bang in your wifi/storage and get that GPU in here / if u don't have the budget for the increase on ram dont worry about it to much as the boost on the GPU with its own dedicated video ram would massive help plus its boost on graphics alone..
If your looking for a system for one of your kids or cheap gaming system for your self £357.84 package + 1TB +wif is the way to go idea, unless its extreme tight budget then the vegas above will do u.

fred246

I would be happy to buy a ready made system but ONLY if every single item was specified and I was happy with it. Manufacturers often miss out important bits like the motherboard and power supply. Cheap power supplies can be horrendously noisy. I only use Asus and Gigabyte motherboards. There is nothing worse than having a system for 3 or 4 years and then the motherboard going and they are then out of production. Never had a CPU or RAM fail.

Neil_Jones

fred246 said:

There is nothing worse than having a system for 3 or 4 years and then the motherboard going and they are then out of production.

Well by that logic you'll never buy anything, because motherboards and socket types change on average every three to five years.

fred246

The motherboard, CPU and RAM are the 'heart' of the system that needs to be replaced together because they do change. The cost of the CPU is very much fixed. RAM does vary in price but I will buy the cheapest as I have never had any failed RAM. How do you make a cheap motherboard? Well the price of the chipset will be fixed but you can cost cut with things like heatsinks and capacitors. So you can pay £100 for the CPU, £40 for RAM, and then pay £42 for a cheap motherboard, while £50 would pay for the best. When the cheap motherboard fails you then throw out the lot. An extra £8 would have saved the whole lot. So in my experience it's not worth economising on your motherboard. If it's not specified they will fit the cheapest.

forgotmyname

fred246 said:

The motherboard, CPU and RAM are the 'heart' of the system that needs to be replaced together because they do change. The cost of the CPU is very much fixed. RAM does vary in price but I will buy the cheapest as I have never had any failed RAM. How do you make a cheap motherboard? Well the price of the chipset will be fixed but you can cost cut with things like heatsinks and capacitors. So you can pay £100 for the CPU, £40 for RAM, and then pay £42 for a cheap motherboard, while £50 would pay for the best. When the cheap motherboard fails you then throw out the lot. An extra £8 would have saved the whole lot. So in my experience it's not worth economising on your motherboard. If it's not specified they will fit the cheapest.

I had to read that many times before I came to the conclusion Yes you really did type all that rubbish.  Cost of the CPU is fixed? 
I paid £50 less than the release price of my CPU just 4 weeks after it was launched. Built in 2017 and the current CPU's on sale will fit my
board. Built a system for someone last year which a newer version of my CPU and he paid over £100 less than that CPUs original price.

Same with motherboards, they often get discounted. You can get quality bare bones motherboards and seemingly high end gadget
filled boards with serious issues. Same as anything.  How about a nice RGB SSD which cooks itself through the heat the LEDs
produce.

I can replace the CPU and the RAM without swapping the board.  £50 for the best what?  If a board fails you can simply fit a new board, why
does it need a new CPU and RAM etc?

Haw many drinks did you have when you typed that?   Either its all wrong or you didnt make anything clear?

fred246

The last time I gave any advice on PC building it was to someone who had spent £600 on a case. I thought "never again". Don't know why I bother. Storage with lights on it. Give me strength.

fred246

I will try an analogy. Not sure if you'll get it. Say you want a Goretex jacket. It has to be Goretex but you want CHEAP. How does a manufacturer do that? Goretex won't sell cheap Goretex. So you make a cheap Goretex jacket by buying Goretex and then making it cheaply. No pockets. Cheap zip. So the jacket fails because the zip breaks. How do you make a cheap motherboard?You buy the A320 chipset from AMD and surround it with cheap capacitors. They used to put really cheap fans on the chipset instead of a metal heatsink because fans were cheaper. When the bearings went and the fan stopped that was the end. Outside of warranty period of course. So when the cheap bits fail you lose the value of the expensive bits.

fred246

forgotmyname said:

fred246 said:

The motherboard, CPU and RAM are the 'heart' of the system that needs to be replaced together because they do change. The cost of the CPU is very much fixed. RAM does vary in price but I will buy the cheapest as I have never had any failed RAM. How do you make a cheap motherboard? Well the price of the chipset will be fixed but you can cost cut with things like heatsinks and capacitors. So you can pay £100 for the CPU, £40 for RAM, and then pay £42 for a cheap motherboard, while £50 would pay for the best. When the cheap motherboard fails you then throw out the lot. An extra £8 would have saved the whole lot. So in my experience it's not worth economising on your motherboard. If it's not specified they will fit the cheapest.

I can replace the CPU and the RAM without swapping the board.  £50 for the best what?  If a board fails you can simply fit a new board, why
does it need a new CPU and RAM etc?

You can't put a new CPU or RAM on an old motherboard when the sockets have changed. You can't fit a new motherboard for the same reason. Maybe if you've only fiddled with PCs for a year or two you haven't got the experience.

swansea_lad

I was offered a pc for £280, 2200g, 128gb SSD, 1tb HD, 16gb 3200mhz Ram. Tempted, but the processor and SSD is reconditioned but with a 12 months warranty???

forgotmyname

fred246 said:

You can't put a new CPU or RAM on an old motherboard when the sockets have changed. You can't fit a new motherboard for the same reason. Maybe if you've only fiddled with PCs for a year or two you haven't got the experience.

A year or 2. Yes maybe if you add a 0 to the end and probably double it. Do you remember when PC's had simms and ISA slots?  I still have them.  Thats when
PC parts were so cheap my 10MB Amiga in a tower costing hundreds for a hard drive and they wanted £399 for a single speed CD drive, eh a 4x CD drive for
a PC was only £100.  I fitted that to my Amiga and then wanted a modem.. how much...  I bought a PC then...  Where were you in the 90's?

Early to watercool my PC using car and fishtank parts, before you could actually buy parts.

My old AMD system had 3 CPUs over 4 years, same socket, same RAM slots, although RAM size increased over the years.  Current system built in 2017
can fit the latest CPUs on sale.  Please explain why I cannot fit a new CPU to my current board when the manufacturer says its compatible.

They dont (usually) make a single chip/board combo for every CPU release.