Cash for Keys

2bFrank

moneysavinghero said:

2bFrank said:

We rented a property a while back (well before COVID), the tenents got 3 months behind on the rent. S8 was given but the courts system takes for ages by the time it would have reached the courts it could have been 8-10 months without any rent.

It was naughty of us, but we made an offer to the tenent, forgo the missing rent, £500 towards moving costs and deposit returned (even though they had damaged the property, which cost over £1000 to fix), they played silly beggers at first, but I brought a car full of my mates, as soon as they got out the car, they accepted the offer and was out by the end of the week.

The system is broken, but its not the tenents fault, nor the landlords. The tenents have protection due to bad landlords (technically I one of them, bringing my mates), but at the same time I couldnt afford to lose all that rent, so you have to do what you have to do. Best bet, offer a big sum of money, and ask to be out near immediately, i.e not months, they can change their mind, COVID could get worse and unable to move, then look at other options.

Giving them a week to get out, you are lucky they didn't change the locks and install cameras to catch whatever your mates decided to do the next time they popped round for a chat. Maybe get a minibus full of their mates to visit you too (as they were passing on their way to play baseball).

That is very true and a very fair point, that’s the risk when you take things into your own hands.

It’s going to end nasty for one side, luckily it wasn’t my side on this occasion, do I regret what I did though, definitely not. No chance was I going to go 10+ months without any rent, and had the facilities to sort it out. Remember I did offer a peaceful way out first, with massive costs to myself.

Maybe next time I won’t be as lucky and get my head weighed by a group lads on there way to play baseball, or maybe them lads won’t be able to play baseball ever again.

But you are missing the key point though, the police nor the justice system do not care, And if they did care, it is extremely unlikely that anything would even happen.

If you don’t pay your rent, have a idiot as a landlord and they do something absolutely stupid like me. You best have the number of that minibus of lads in your phone, because the police won’t help you nor will trying to sue for 5-6 figures.

pinkteapot

Bex_27 said:

He didn’t accept it due to personal reasons. We have offered £1,500 and will do £2k but if not we will pull out of our house  

Sorry, Bex. I know you have your heart set on the house and it’s rubbish you were misinformed re the tenant being ready to leave by the ex/their solicitor. Hope you can come to an agreement that suits both you and the tenant.

Comms69

2bFrank said:

Fantasist , you are worse than Trump with his fake news. '000 cases that cost the landlord 5 - 6 figures, where have you got these cases, searching through the internet, I can name a couple of high profile landlords that have been punished but thats it.

Just because I do not agree with you doesn't make it untrue. Yes I have been a bit naughty in the past and have asked for advice on here, I am no angel, however I do know how the justice and legal system works. You are right the police do not have to attend to investigate, but what on earth thinks that they will investigate something like that, they will give you a reference number and thats the end of it.

If you get a officer that actually cares, worst they will do will be to interview, I would simply say you got aggressive, I defended myself, or if I partially do not like the officer I would just "no comment", and thats that. CPS won't push it through as lack of evidence, and even by some miracle they proceed, and agreed to be heard, the trial won't be set for at least 3 years, thats plenty of time for witnesses to forget etc.

And even then after all that, by some fluke you win, ill get a bit of community service and pay a few grand in comp and surcharges. Work it out, rent is £1200 * 10 months unpaid (prob even longer now in this climate) vs the minimal risk of getting caught, I will still be less out-of-pocket. In this country crime pays, it's a very sad fact.

Good luck though OP hopefully the tenant will be able to find somewhere, and move out sharpish.

nearlylegal.co.uk has a good summary of a lot of cases. You should try doing some research.

Funnily enough what tells me they'll investigate (and the council actually have dedicated teams for this too) is the long list of cases....

You also conveniently ignore the civil aspect, which is by far the bigger financial penalty that goes straight to the tenant.... 3 years - lol ye ok then...

The compensation is set at £3-500 per day of illegal eviction. per day, let that sink in. So your 'few' grand is pretty much nonsense. 

But as i said you're either a fantasist or a criminal - or more likely both. And seem proud of that rather sad fact.

Comms69

2bFrank said:

moneysavinghero said:

2bFrank said:

We rented a property a while back (well before COVID), the tenents got 3 months behind on the rent. S8 was given but the courts system takes for ages by the time it would have reached the courts it could have been 8-10 months without any rent.

It was naughty of us, but we made an offer to the tenent, forgo the missing rent, £500 towards moving costs and deposit returned (even though they had damaged the property, which cost over £1000 to fix), they played silly beggers at first, but I brought a car full of my mates, as soon as they got out the car, they accepted the offer and was out by the end of the week.

The system is broken, but its not the tenents fault, nor the landlords. The tenents have protection due to bad landlords (technically I one of them, bringing my mates), but at the same time I couldnt afford to lose all that rent, so you have to do what you have to do. Best bet, offer a big sum of money, and ask to be out near immediately, i.e not months, they can change their mind, COVID could get worse and unable to move, then look at other options.

Giving them a week to get out, you are lucky they didn't change the locks and install cameras to catch whatever your mates decided to do the next time they popped round for a chat. Maybe get a minibus full of their mates to visit you too (as they were passing on their way to play baseball).

That is very true and a very fair point, that’s the risk when you take things into your own hands.

It’s going to end nasty for one side, luckily it wasn’t my side on this occasion, do I regret what I did though, definitely not. No chance was I going to go 10+ months without any rent, and had the facilities to sort it out. Remember I did offer a peaceful way out first, with massive costs to myself.

Maybe next time I won’t be as lucky and get my head weighed by a group lads on there way to play baseball, or maybe them lads won’t be able to play baseball ever again.

But you are missing the key point though, the police nor the justice system do not care, And if they did care, it is extremely unlikely that anything would even happen.

If you don’t pay your rent, have a idiot as a landlord and they do something absolutely stupid like me. You best have the number of that minibus of lads in your phone, because the police won’t help you nor will trying to sue for 5-6 figures.

What an incite into the background to previous JK guests you provide... stop promoting violence. It just makes you sound like a child. 

With luck your many shenanigans will mean a stay at her Majesty's pleasure soon..

Bex_27

pinkteapot said:

Bex_27 said:

He didn’t accept it due to personal reasons. We have offered £1,500 and will do £2k but if not we will pull out of our house  

Sorry, Bex. I know you have your heart set on the house and it’s rubbish you were misinformed re the tenant being ready to leave by the ex/their solicitor. Hope you can come to an agreement that suits both you and the tenant.

Thank you, we are truly devastated My chest hurts, I am that stressed. We are going to take a letter to the tenant and drop it through their letterbox, we are fed up with having to go through solicitors and just want to share our reason behind it. We want to come to a resolution with the tenant and have offered £2k to them, that is equivalent to 3 months rent plus £290. The tenant said it was due to personal reasons but we thought we'd try one last attempt. If not, we will pull out and go for a property in Wales (we live in Wales and the other property is in England - we live on the border), we will then have until December 31st 2021 to complete for HTB. It will be heartbreaking as the house we have our heart set on is in a lovely location, spread out nicely and the one in Wales will be squished in and everyone on top of each other.

Bex_27

UPDATE: We offered a further sum and the tenant has accepted. We are getting an agreement drawn up by our solicitors. Hopefully we will resolve this all by the end of Dec/Jan

Comms69

Bex_27 said:

UPDATE: We offered a further sum and the tenant has accepted. We are getting an agreement drawn up by our solicitors. Hopefully we will resolve this all by the end of Dec/Jan

"Deed of Surrender"

Bex_27

Comms69 said:

Bex_27 said:

UPDATE: We offered a further sum and the tenant has accepted. We are getting an agreement drawn up by our solicitors. Hopefully we will resolve this all by the end of Dec/Jan

"Deed of Surrender"

Thanks Comms, I have booked in for my partner to see our solicitor next week. Will ensure it's a Deed of Surrender doc