False Positives

50Twuncle

Am I alone in feeling concerned at the facts below ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ch7wze46md0

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-many-covid-diagnoses-are-false-positives-

elsien

Concerned in what respect? No test is going to be 100% accurate. 

50Twuncle

Just realised - wrong board and am now unable to remove post !

Browntoa

Look on the plus side , it's false positives rather than false negatives. 

RyanHello

TBH I've slowly lost respect for this government ever since the cummings affair. Their make it up as they go along approach is farcical. A relative of mine has completely been locked away in their care home since March, no contact from family at all (not allowed).

From the rule of six to the close of pubs at 10pm. Nothing makes sense.

They're too arrogant to listen to other scientists, they always roll out the two chuckle brothers with their flawed graph charts and scaremongering.

I'm quite surprised people still support this government, I cannot think of one thing they've done right.

Maybe when 4 million are out of work and the thousands of excess deaths from missed cancer appointments come to show early next year, they'll finally wake up.

tacpot12

The number of false positives is tiny, especially when so many people have the virus, so I hope you are alone in being concerned. It's not a reason to be concerned. 

The_Green_Hornet

RyanHello said:

They're too arrogant to listen to other scientists, they always roll out the two chuckle brothers with their flawed graph charts and scaremongering.

Which scientists do you want them to listen to?

For reference here is the list of the ones they do listen to.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response-membership/list-of-participants-of-sage-and-related-sub-groups

elsien

RyanHello said:

TBH I've slowly lost respect for this government ever since the cummings affair. Their make it up as they go along approach is farcical. A relative of mine has completely been locked away in their care home since March, no contact from family at all (not allowed).

From the rule of six to the close of pubs at 10pm. Nothing makes sense.

They're too arrogant to listen to other scientists, they always roll out the two chuckle brothers with their flawed graph charts and scaremongering.

I'm quite surprised people still support this government, I cannot think of one thing they've done right.

Maybe when 4 million are out of work and the thousands of excess deaths from missed cancer appointments come to show early next year, they'll finally wake up.

It’s not the government telling care homes not to allow visitors as a blanket rule. 
Each care home should be carrying out risk assessments based on their residents vulnerability and local guidance based on the spread of Covid locally, anc taking into account the impact on the person. 
My job involves going into care homes in one area. All of them have changed their policy as the situation changes. Most have gone from total lockdown to garden and window visits, and some have them gone on to allow visitors back in by appointment.
All are now facilitating video contact where the person is able to deal with that.
The guidance also does not prevent care home residents from going out for a walk if they are able to socially distance. 
Sadly as Covid in the area increases they are now having to go back into lockdown again. That is a decision for each home, not the government although there is some guidance I can post a link to if you wish.
A care home that has allowed no contact in any form since March would be very unusual and open to challenge. 

daveyjp

50Twuncle said:

Am I alone in feeling concerned at the facts below ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ch7wze46md0

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-many-covid-diagnoses-are-false-positives-

You should be more concerned that you are linking to JHB and Talkradio.

Some actual detail on false positives.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/false-positives-coronavirus_uk_5f686da4c5b6de79b677e909?f57

Aranyani

elsien said:

RyanHello said:

TBH I've slowly lost respect for this government ever since the cummings affair. Their make it up as they go along approach is farcical. A relative of mine has completely been locked away in their care home since March, no contact from family at all (not allowed).

From the rule of six to the close of pubs at 10pm. Nothing makes sense.

They're too arrogant to listen to other scientists, they always roll out the two chuckle brothers with their flawed graph charts and scaremongering.

I'm quite surprised people still support this government, I cannot think of one thing they've done right.

Maybe when 4 million are out of work and the thousands of excess deaths from missed cancer appointments come to show early next year, they'll finally wake up.

It’s not the government telling care homes not to allow visitors as a blanket rule. 
Each care home should be carrying out risk assessments based on their residents vulnerability and local guidance based on the spread of Covid locally, anc taking into account the impact on the person. 
My job involves going into care homes in one area. All of them have changed their policy as the situation changes. Most have gone from total lockdown to garden and window visits, and some have them gone on to allow visitors back in by appointment.
All are now facilitating video contact where the person is able to deal with that.
The guidance also does not prevent care home residents from going out for a walk if they are able to socially distance. 
Sadly as Covid in the area increases they are now having to go back into lockdown again. That is a decision for each home, not the government although there is some guidance I can post a link to if you wish.
A care home that has allowed no contact in any form since March would be very unusual and open to challenge. 

In the areas that have local lockdowns the care homes have been told not to allow visitors. 

Not many care home residents have the capacity or the physical ability to go out for a socially distanced walk. 

My grandmother hasn't seen her husband properly since March, just a few times through a cracked open window which he struggles to understand due to his dementia and he often wanders off.  That is no way for a 60 plus year marriage to come to an end. 

elsien

Which is why I said in my post according to local guidelines. Doesn’t affect my point that the government have not made a blanket decision with regards to visitors, or whether people can go out or not. 

People who don’t have capacity or the physical ability can go out in a wheelchair unless they are being nursed in bed. There may well be staffing implications to this, but it’s not impossible where being stuck in is unduly impacting on people.