Adding another floor onto a bungalow under new planning laws - permitted development?

NRMartin

Evening, I'm in the process looking into extending upwards on a bungalow - it's not in a conservation or green area or anything, so under the new planning laws is there anything that would stop me from going up a storey planning wise - I've already considered the neighbours and the surrounding area!
Many thanks all in advance

FreeBear

As long as the property was constructed between 1948 and 2018, you should be OK. You'll need to ensure the foundations are adequate to support the extra weight, but his will be checked during the planning stage with the help of a structural engineer.

Worth pointing out that there may be a legal challenge to the proposed changes - If that is successful, the new PD rights will disappear. It would be prudent to wait a few more months.

eve824

I wasn't aware that adding a storey to a bungalow was in any way permitted development. We live in a house which used to be a bungalow and they obtained full PP. 

We are pursuing a bungalow at the moment with the view to extending it up and out so be interested to follow this thread....

NRMartin

eve824 said:

I wasn't aware that adding a storey to a bungalow was in any way permitted development. We live in a house which used to be a bungalow and they obtained full PP. 

It wasn't until the new planning laws came in just this month I believe - I am not 100% up to speed with how it works but as long as your bungalow isn't in a green or conservation area, theoretically at least, it's now covered under permitted development.

NRMartin

FreeBear said:

As long as the property was constructed between 1948 and 2018, you should be OK. You'll need to ensure the foundations are adequate to support the extra weight, but his will be checked during the planning stage with the help of a structural engineer.

Worth pointing out that there may be a legal challenge to the proposed changes - If that is successful, the new PD rights will disappear. It would be prudent to wait a few more months.

Thanks @FreeBear good point on the legal challenge - just scoping it out at the moment but one side there is a chalet bungalow, the other a two-story house and the bungalow it'self is lower than the road and wouldn't directly overlook anything opposite. 
I was thinking of going up in a timber frame which should be slightly cheaper and easier to work with schedule wise but will see what happens. 

eve824

I didn't realise there were new PD rules - I've just taken a look and it seems you have to apply for a certificate of lawful development which the council can say no to on several grounds, so it would seem it's not 'true' PD in that sense? More a half way house (excuse the pun) as I presume the certificate is easier to get and cheaper?

Very interesting though. Although in our case as we want to go up and out I imagine it won't be covered under PD.

FreeBear

eve824 said:  Although in our case as we want to go up and out I imagine it won't be covered under PD.

I only had a quick scan of the new rules a few days ago - You may well be allowed a two storey extension under PD with the new rules. As my property was built around 1928/9, the rules don't apply, so I kinda lost interest.

AdrianC

The new planning laws aren't. Not yet, perhaps ever.

They're no further forward than a consultation which started last month for three months.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/planning-for-the-future/planning-for-the-future

NRMartin

AdrianC said:

The new planning laws aren't. Not yet, perhaps ever.

They're no further forward than a consultation which started last month for three months.

Are you sure...I'm pretty certain they are in law now - it won't let me post a link yet though!

NRMartin

eve824 said:

I didn't realise there were new PD rules - I've just taken a look and it seems you have to apply for a certificate of lawful development which the council can say no to on several grounds, so it would seem it's not 'true' PD in that sense? More a half way house (excuse the pun) as I presume the certificate is easier to get and cheaper?

Very interesting though. Although in our case as we want to go up and out I imagine it won't be covered under PD.

Yes I think that does seem to be the case - just done some more research and looks like you have to get prior approval as per the below I found:

• the impact on the amenity of adjoining premises including overlooking, privacy and the loss of light
• external appearance, including the design and architectural features of the principal elevation and side elevations fronting a highway
• air traffic and defence asset impacts and certain protected views

eve824

NRMartin said:

eve824 said:

I didn't realise there were new PD rules - I've just taken a look and it seems you have to apply for a certificate of lawful development which the council can say no to on several grounds, so it would seem it's not 'true' PD in that sense? More a half way house (excuse the pun) as I presume the certificate is easier to get and cheaper?

Very interesting though. Although in our case as we want to go up and out I imagine it won't be covered under PD.

Yes I think that does seem to be the case - just done some more research and looks like you have to get prior approval as per the below I found:

• the impact on the amenity of adjoining premises including overlooking, privacy and the loss of light
• external appearance, including the design and architectural features of the principal elevation and side elevations fronting a highway
• air traffic and defence asset impacts and certain protected views

Yeah, so it kind of makes me think 'what is the point' but I guess it must be an easier, quicker and cheaper process than full PP