Court Report: Leeds - UKPC v M (Appeal Hearing)

Lamilad

Wow, you've come so far since your very nervous, hesitant steps, when you first came to the forum just 4 years ago. Absolute kudos and admiration from me. 

Can I book you should I be daft enough to fall for a PPC scam?  Don't stay awake! 😆

Haha, think they'd have to get up pretty early in the morning to catch you out, Umko.

As for that nervous person who tiptoed nervously into the group 4 years ago - he made a brief reappearance on Monday. Fortunately he's back in his box now I've dusted off the cobwebs. 

Umkomaas

Fortunately he's back in his box now I've dusted off the cobwebs. 

Do you mean 'back on his box'? The world's a better place with you ravaging random PPCs and their legals, especially when they don't know who's coming knocking.  

Think Mike Ehrmantraut - Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul. Have you watched these?  Netflix - watch in the above order. 

Lamilad

Umkomaas said:

Fortunately he's back in his box now I've dusted off the cobwebs. 

Do you mean 'back on his box'? The world's a better place with you ravaging random PPCs and their legals, especially when they don't know who's coming knocking.  

Think Mike Ehrmantraut - Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul. Have you watched these?  Netflix - watch in the above order. 

Only the nervous person is back in his box. The one who ravages PPCs is still very much on the scene.

Love BB and BCS... Mike is a legend! 

Umkomaas

Lamilad said:

Umkomaas said:

Fortunately he's back in his box now I've dusted off the cobwebs. 

Do you mean 'back on his box'? The world's a better place with you ravaging random PPCs and their legals, especially when they don't know who's coming knocking.  

Think Mike Ehrmantraut - Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul. Have you watched these?  Netflix - watch in the above order. 

Only the nervous person is back in his box. The one who ravages PPCs is still very much on the scene.

Love BB and BCS... Mike is a legend! 

Music to my ears. A further BCS filming for next year!

Snakes_Belly

That's a great report. Very well done and up against someone with a very impressive profile.   

Coupon-mad

Can't wait for this transcript, covered by crowdfunding by esteemed BMPA member(s).  It will be great for residential cases!  At the moment, people with residential claims can at least cite the appeal and give the date, claim number & parties involved as well as the Judge.

Did the regulars recognise HHJ Saffman's name?  It is he of the dreadful decision in VCS v Ward, where he was persuaded by VCS' legal rep (who had the floor to him/herself in that case) that a no-stopping road was the same as the Beavis case, in theory, and that VCS v Crutchley was persuasive and somehow a driver should dump their car somewhere on approach(!), get out and walk and read the signs in a no-stopping road...

Huge kudos to Lamilad!  Love that report.  Correct result and persuasive on other courts.

I have never appeared at an Appeal Hearing (can't see my local courts allowing RoA at appeal, seeing as they even refused the RoA of a fellow BMPA member, wrongly, this year).

Regulars should click on that blue link and have a look at the barrister's specialisms...

Le_Kirk

Brilliant result and well done @Lamilad.  What happens to the judge who "erred in law"?  Is he sent for retraining?

Snakes_Belly

Coupon-mad said:

Regulars should click on that blue link and have a look at the barrister's specialisms...

I wonder what his hourly rate is?  

bargepole

Snakes_Belly said:

Coupon-mad said:

Regulars should click on that blue link and have a look at the barrister's specialisms...

I wonder what his hourly rate is?  

With 5 years' experience, it is likely to be in the region of £250 + VAT per hour.

UKPC will have paid him probably 3 hours to draft a skeleton, then travel costs from Canterbury to Leeds, and probably around £1,500 for attendance at the hearing. So they will have wasted around £3k to get a kicking, and a Judgment which will kill off their other claims once the transcript is available.

Umkomaas

and a Judgment which will kill off their other claims once the transcript is available.

@bargepole - while I know it's not a game-changer, how much impact do you think this judgment will have on other residential parking cases, especially with UKCPM and PCMUK in mind?