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COURT CASE LOST !!!! Followed the process but no win for me vs VCS...


Gutted as followed the advise and process very clearly and used the template defence... The case was allocated to paper only and judge refused to have a court hearing in person due to covid. I received the paperwork today, any thoughts?
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The vital bit of advice you might have missed was never to agree to a hearing 'on the papers'. While I recognise the Judge wouldn't allow a face to face hearing, there are very viable alternatives - video hearing or telephone hearing. Either would have given you the opportunity to address the Judge directly and respond to some of the points on which he found against you.4. The Defendant's case with regard to the cause of action, abuse of process, non compliance with Court rulesfails for the reasons set out in paragraphs 66-71 in the Claimant's witness statement.What was this that was so compelling?Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
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Sorry you lost but once again we must strongly advise everyone never to accept "heard on papers"
YOU LOSE YOUR VOICE and it is your right to have a fair hearing.
VCS was not the winner as by the time they prepare everything and they again lost the £60 fake,
Heard on papers is nothing VCS can boast about
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Gutted as followed the advise and process very clearly and used the template defence...You didn't follow our advice then and were bound to lose. Of course a hearing on the papers was lost, as they always are.
The case was allocated to paper only
You had your chance to disagree, when you got that Order. Had your chance to come and ask us, you'd have had a resounding ''NO!' within 10 minutes flat from us and how to argue it.
Yet another cautionary tale not to step away from our advice from start to finish. So frustrating!
PLEASE EDIT YOUR HEADING BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE THAT YOU FOLLOWED OUR ADVICE.
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At the very least, we say the parking charge level should be £50/£25 or higher level £70/£35, as per Council PCNs in E&W.
And we say the added fake 'debt recovery' costs are just double counting the cost of letters, and MUST GO because that is unfair and illegal.
Please be heard. You can bet the hundreds of PPCs will be commenting.No apologies for repeating this vital 'call for action' to consumers, on every thread this month!
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This was wrong and Excel v Smith would have cleared this up.
This is the only point of law you could have an issue with but you were meant to attend the hearing not let it be heard on the papers due to COvid. This is Clearly covered everywhere and at all stages. You needed to insist on a Telephone Hearing to give you a voice, like everyone else does and you could have used Excel v Smith as an exhibit:5. Given that the Defendant was the registered keeper at the relevant time and given the finding of fact that theDefendant received the parking charge notice and failed to advise the Claimant that she was not the driver at therelevant time (if that were the case) then a defence based upon her not being the driver fails. (Failure to act andschedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012).You can't 'fail to name the driver'.
This is an error in law, but only worth arguing at appeal if you want to throw £100 at it and if you were not the driver...AND if you understand why their NTK wasn't a POFA one (and what the POFA actually says) and can argue that confidently.
At least the points about adding £60 saved you that money. You really missed a trick though.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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It's an unfortunate outcome.
1. This is litigation. No one can ever guarantee a win in any court - hearing or not.
2. I'd probably agree it's a greater risk on the papers only as you lose the chance to explain or respond to any questions that arise
3. I'd agree that the claimant has been put to some difficulty and been denied their enhancement. You're out of pocket, but most of the costs are reimbursing court fees already paid - it's not lining their coffers.
4. This is of course a case that can be referred to in relation to every case where VCS uses the same form of wording on their signs - the £60 liquidated damages are impermissible, not on the signs and amount to a 60% enhancement of what the contract permits.5 -
Sorry that you lost. I don't remember seeing any details of your case posted on here. The regulars do have more input at the defence and WS stages and would have critiqued these.
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Its the Ops first post so how did they ask on here, and will they return to edit the heading?1
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photome said:Its the Ops first post so how did they ask on here, and will they return to edit the heading?Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .
I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street3 -
H'mm. VCS and Excel have been losing a number of cases recently. Could be trying to discredit the forum.
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