Civil Enforcement NTK

RobinHill

KeithP said: "What cost? There is no cost there until they decide to contest a PoPLA appeal."

"The BPA Ltd then recoups that money from its members in the following ways. Firstly, the BPA Ltd charge the appropriate member £27 for each POPLA appeal. If that is not enough (and it probably isn't, as we will see later), then each member pays the BPA Ltd an association fee based on the size of the company, and any shortfall is made up from that."
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2013/05/how-much-does-popla-cost.html

"Appealing to POPLA doesn’t cost the motorist anything, except for losing the opportunity to pay the reduced parking charge. It does, however, cost the parking company a fee of £27+VAT, with some commentators estimating the real cost to the parking company being £130 http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/how-much-does-popla-cost.html. If the appeal is allowed then under the BPA’s Code of Practice, the parking company must accept that decision and drop the case."
https://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/popla-appeals/

RobinHill

KeithP, you seem to have gone a touch quiet?
"Recollection facility is flawed and there is no cost there until they decide to contest a PoPLA appeal.".
There is only one person who is flawed here and it ain't me. I would suggest getting your facts right before commenting on here, or failing that at least do so with a touch less arrogance. You could do well by reading up on the meaning of the word "humility".

Coupon-mad

Yes it costs them about £30 unless they duck out.  

But the important thing is to check whether it's a POFA NTK so you can plan your action for POPLA.  CEL used to not have any 9(2)f POFA wording, then they briefly hid it on the back (top) in a section about hirers.  Then they stopped and we saw non-POFA ones again.

So you do need to check for 9(2)f  - the warning about you being liable and that they can 'recover the outstanding parking charge from you after 28/29 days...' depending on how they phrase it.  Look on both sides.  It's either there saying you will be liable, or it's not.

Main thing though is to exhaust PLAN A from the NEWBIES thread, first!  Not appeal!

RobinHill

Cheers Coupon-mad, hope you are well. The post is in helping a friend who was (as usual) a bit distraught over it and I have been trying to reassure her. I need bed now but will pursue your prompt in detail asap tomorrow. Thank you.

KeithP

RobinHill said:

KeithP, you seem to have gone a touch quiet?
"Recollection facility is flawed and there is no cost there until they decide to contest a PoPLA appeal.".
There is only one person who is flawed here and it ain't me. I would suggest getting your facts right before commenting on here, or failing that at least do so with a touch less arrogance. You could do well by reading up on the meaning of the word "humility".

You said: "I recall coupon_mad saying it cost the PPC £60 to take it to POPLA".

I suggested you were mistaken. The lady herself has now confirmed that by saying:

Coupon-mad said:

Yes it costs them about £30 unless they duck out.  

In other words, it cost them about half the amount you put forward, and just as I said, that is only payable if the PPC contests the PoPLA appeal.


I'll leave you to it now. Goodnight.

RobinHill

KeithP: I understood that the cost is incurred in simply raising a POPLA case / code and not just the actual appeal itself. But I would agree with your statement being more likely ie. on appeal being heard only, since it wouldn't fit with the PPC's being happy to take it to POPLA knowing that they may invariably fail.

Coupon-mad

 I understood that the cost is incurred in simply raising a POPLA case / code and not just the actual appeal itself. 

No, they get let off if they offer no contest.  That's why many give up when they see a decent, long forum-written POPLA appeal.

Fruitcake

The scammers issue a PoPLA code.
The motorist submits a PoPLA appeal which the scammers get to read.
If the scammers think they will win they pay PoPLA £27 plus VaT.
If the scammers think they will lose they tell PoPLA they are not going to contest it. They do not then have to pay PoPLA anything saving themselves the £27 plus VaT. In other words, not contesting a PoPLA appeal does not cost the scammers anywhere near £60. I believe this is what KeithP, who is one of the volunteers here  was trying to get across. 

P1ssing off the regulars who give up their time for free is not a good idea if you want help.

RobinHill

Fruitcake: I posted in good faith and made reference to a previous post that mentioned PPC's having to pay a fee for the POPLA process. All KeithP had to do was reply with the explanation of his understanding that the POPLA process is FOC until the appeal is considered further. But no he chose to reply in a less than polite manner.

wealdroam

RobinHill said:

There is only one person who is flawed here and it ain't me. I would suggest getting your facts right before commenting on here...

Just quoting for the record.