Neighbouring /bordering unadopted road issues

MoneySeeker1

House_on_the_corner said:

MoneySeeker1 said:

Great minds think alike - I was just wondering whether to "turn the problem on its head" and ask what OP might be able to do in their own garden to mitigate things.

So my mind was turning towards wondering whether OP's garden is big enough to allow for planting a row of trees along the adjoining fence and they would "screen out" the dust from coming through into the garden. I'm picturing a row of nice (ie NOT leylandii obviously then!) trees. Maybe buying a set of pretty large well grown-on pleached trees (think pleached is the word I want - for trees that have been trained to be bare trunk for about the first 6' of the trunk and then the "branches" start). It's a modern solution I've seen people using to deal with our late 20th/early 21st century back gardens that miss the privacy back gardens are supposed to have - but might be a solution in this case for this problem (if the garden is big enough).

Thank you. Yes we have planted a hedge on our side of the fence for this reason but, owing to huge tree roots from a very tall mature tree in our garden with a TPO on it and other mature trees on the other side of the fence (that sadly don’t stop the dust)  they are are not growing well. We are however still looking at this as a way to help but they would have to be extremely tall hedges which means cutting back the trees with TPO’s on them 🤯🙈. 

So trees growing into the ground might be a problem then - but what about maybe trees that do not grow into the ground?

There are huge to absolutely enormous containers that maybe trees could be put in? I've seen commercial premises where they had several absolutely enormous (we are taking feet high and feet across) garden containers that they had got large trees planted in. I've not seen containers anything like that big on standard householder garden websites - but they must have got those enormous containers from somewhere. I'm talking of ones that probably come to about waist height for instance (well they do for a shortie like me) and also a huge width across the top.

EDIT; Just done a very quick google for "extra large garden containers" and a firm that came up (to give one example) was www.taylormadeplanters.co.uk/extra-large-garden-pots

and they say they will make "exact size you need". So that's one possible firm and there must be others.

NinjaTune

Davesnave said:

Can one throw wood chips (or any other substance) all over a neighbouring road owned by someone else and not expect some kind of negative reaction? I thought the other residents who manage it want it to stay as it is?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the OP goes gaily throwing things onto the road without getting consent from the people who are supposed to be maintaining the road.  We are offering suggestions for OP that they can discuss with the neighbours as an alternative to tarmac.  

House_on_the_corner

GraceD_17 said:

I agree with a fence/hedge/trees solution. 
OP is there any way you could post a photograph or google maps link so that we're able to see the exact scale of the road and the garden, that way we may be able to advise you more on something you could possibly do? 

I live in a corner house and have the same situation as you, we're residents of the road our front door sits on but the side road which is where our garden is, we aren't residents of. It can be annoying, any work that gets done on that side road very much effects our house but we, like you - have no say on what goes on. 

Thank you for your comments. I’d rather not post pictures for various reasons but all the comments are a great help.

House_on_the_corner

MoneySeeker1 said:

House_on_the_corner said:

MoneySeeker1 said:

Great minds think alike - I was just wondering whether to "turn the problem on its head" and ask what OP might be able to do in their own garden to mitigate things.

So my mind was turning towards wondering whether OP's garden is big enough to allow for planting a row of trees along the adjoining fence and they would "screen out" the dust from coming through into the garden. I'm picturing a row of nice (ie NOT leylandii obviously then!) trees. Maybe buying a set of pretty large well grown-on pleached trees (think pleached is the word I want - for trees that have been trained to be bare trunk for about the first 6' of the trunk and then the "branches" start). It's a modern solution I've seen people using to deal with our late 20th/early 21st century back gardens that miss the privacy back gardens are supposed to have - but might be a solution in this case for this problem (if the garden is big enough).

Thank you. Yes we have planted a hedge on our side of the fence for this reason but, owing to huge tree roots from a very tall mature tree in our garden with a TPO on it and other mature trees on the other side of the fence (that sadly don’t stop the dust)  they are are not growing well. We are however still looking at this as a way to help but they would have to be extremely tall hedges which means cutting back the trees with TPO’s on them 🤯🙈. 

So trees growing into the ground might be a problem then - but what about maybe trees that do not grow into the ground?

There are huge to absolutely enormous containers that maybe trees could be put in? I've seen commercial premises where they had several absolutely enormous (we are taking feet high and feet across) garden containers that they had got large trees planted in. I've not seen containers anything like that big on standard householder garden websites - but they must have got those enormous containers from somewhere. I'm talking of ones that probably come to about waist height for instance (well they do for a shortie like me) and also a huge width across the top.

EDIT; Just done a very quick google for "extra large garden containers" and a firm that came up (to give one example) was www.taylormadeplanters.co.uk/extra-large-garden-pots

and they say they will make "exact size you need". So that's one possible firm and there must be others.

Thank you! Your comments are extremely helpful. I will certainly  look into these.

Davesnave

NinjaTune said:

Davesnave said:

Can one throw wood chips (or any other substance) all over a neighbouring road owned by someone else and not expect some kind of negative reaction? I thought the other residents who manage it want it to stay as it is?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the OP goes gaily throwing things onto the road without getting consent from the people who are supposed to be maintaining the road.  We are offering suggestions for OP that they can discuss with the neighbours as an alternative to tarmac.  

I am only responding to the OP when they said that their neighbours didn't want an alternative surface. I can see wood chips being a nightmare for drainage and slowly pummelled into an unattractive mush over the winter months. Of course, I'm not an expert and I doubt if the neighbours are either.

Containerised trees under other larger ones are a non-starter unless you are prepared to water, feed and accept the result of lower light levels. I have experience here. Saplings planted as a hedgerow planted under mature oaks  have made 4,' doubling their height in 6 years. Maybe I'll have a hedge by the time I'm 85!

Sometimes, being devil's advocate is useful, sometimes not, but like the nasty person in the Panto, someone ought to play him (or her!)

MoneySeeker1

Hence buying the already very mature trees.

I've seen websites selling ones that have already reached comfortably over 10' high for sure and I think it's possible to get ones up to (by the look of them) the 15'-20' mark.

I know I've studied possibilities of buying large/mature trees before now for my own garden and watched some of those garden makeover tv programmes where sometimes some pretty large trees are brought in and planted - in order to make the garden look pretty mature on the spot. They "cost" - but they are available and I'd go hazarding a guess at being prepared to pay out around the £100-£200 mark each for a pretty mature tree to plant.

House_on_the_corner

Davesnave said:

NinjaTune said:

Davesnave said:

Can one throw wood chips (or any other substance) all over a neighbouring road owned by someone else and not expect some kind of negative reaction? I thought the other residents who manage it want it to stay as it is?

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the OP goes gaily throwing things onto the road without getting consent from the people who are supposed to be maintaining the road.  We are offering suggestions for OP that they can discuss with the neighbours as an alternative to tarmac.  

I am only responding to the OP when they said that their neighbours didn't want an alternative surface. I can see wood chips being a nightmare for drainage and slowly pummelled into an unattractive mush over the winter months. Of course, I'm not an expert and I doubt if the neighbours are either.

Containerised trees under other larger ones are a non-starter unless you are prepared to water, feed and accept the result of lower light levels. I have experience here. Saplings planted as a hedgerow planted under mature oaks  have made 4,' doubling their height in 6 years. Maybe I'll have a hedge by the time I'm 85!

We’ve been trying to grow our hedge for 3 years and it has barely grown 3 inches for all your reasons above and won’t thicken up 😞

MoneySeeker1

Other thought - maybe replace that hedge with a decent-looking 6' wall.

It would be possible to attach, say, a 2'-3' high good-quality looking wooden horizontally planked (technical term LOL) wooden fence (the type that's currently being used a lot for garden fencing) on top of that and get a total height of 8'-10' tall (assuming no 2 metre height restriction stuff going on - which I wouldnt think there would be from what you say).

Davesnave

MoneySeeker1 said:

Hence buying the already very mature trees.

I've seen websites selling ones that have already reached comfortably over 10' high for sure and I think it's possible to get ones up to (by the look of them) the 15'-20' mark.

I know I've studied possibilities of buying large/mature trees before now for my own garden and watched some of those garden makeover tv programmes where sometimes some pretty large trees are brought in and planted - in order to make the garden look pretty mature on the spot. They "cost" - but they are available and I'd go hazarding a guess at being prepared to pay out around the £100-£200 mark each for a pretty mature tree to plant.

Yes, anything may be done, at a price, but this is MSE and you have no guarantee that a few extra trees will help. There are already trees there, according to the OP.

I have a 9-10' hedge, but I've not noticed it keeping dust off the car. The windscreen was plastered in dust and small twigs yesterday after the high winds. It filters the worst, but some air goes straight through or it wouldn't work as an effective windbreak.

Something like the thick 15' yew hedges at RHS Rosemoor would be good....but let's be realistic!.

House_on_the_corner

Davesnave said:

MoneySeeker1 said:

Hence buying the already very mature trees.

I've seen websites selling ones that have already reached comfortably over 10' high for sure and I think it's possible to get ones up to (by the look of them) the 15'-20' mark.

I know I've studied possibilities of buying large/mature trees before now for my own garden and watched some of those garden makeover tv programmes where sometimes some pretty large trees are brought in and planted - in order to make the garden look pretty mature on the spot. They "cost" - but they are available and I'd go hazarding a guess at being prepared to pay out around the £100-£200 mark each for a pretty mature tree to plant.

Yes, anything may be done, at a price, but this is MSE and you have no guarantee that a few extra trees will help. There are already trees there, according to the OP.

I have a 9-10' hedge, but I've not noticed it keeping dust off the car. The windscreen was plastered in dust and small twigs yesterday after the high winds. It filters the worst, but some air goes straight through or it wouldn't work as an effective windbreak.

Something like the thick 15' yew hedges at RHS Rosemoor would be good....but let's be realistic!.

Thank you. Yes it’s very upsetting that we are expected to pay out serious amounts of ££££‘S just to be able to use our garden without getting thick clouds of dust in our food and hair, or worse, shards of stones in our face, so I am looking for cost effective ideas. I think I’m probably dreaming that an effective solution can be found without paying a fortune. Also, If the residents all just drove according to the 10mph speed limit that they set themselves then it also wouldn’t be so bad but, even despite our pleas, they still zoom up as if on purpose.