Driving lessons after driving for 20yrs?

williamgriffin

Sandtree said:

williamgriffin said:

Sandtree said:

Biggus_Dickus said:
 Hope the last few pages haven’t put you off motorways forever. They remain the safest of all our roads. 

Depends on how you measure it... much lower rate of incidents but much higher consequences when incidents do occur... if you measure usage by distance travelled they represent 21% of road use but only 3% of known accidents... never heard of a 100 vehicle pileup on an urban road.

Fatalities are not actually that disproportionately higher but thats more to do with most fatalities are people not in cars which you clearly don't get as much of on motorways

Can you back your claims up?

Yesterday I could have provided the sources for the statistics but didn't keep the windows open over night... I cannot backup the claim that I've never heard of a 100 car pile up on an urban road... you'd need to trust me on that one.

If you refer to this one https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/worst-ever-rush-hour-crash-12958103 only three died. There are plenty more collisions where more than three have died on an urban road. 

Sandtree

williamgriffin said:

Sandtree said:

williamgriffin said:

Sandtree said:

Biggus_Dickus said:
 Hope the last few pages haven’t put you off motorways forever. They remain the safest of all our roads. 

Depends on how you measure it... much lower rate of incidents but much higher consequences when incidents do occur... if you measure usage by distance travelled they represent 21% of road use but only 3% of known accidents... never heard of a 100 vehicle pileup on an urban road.

Fatalities are not actually that disproportionately higher but thats more to do with most fatalities are people not in cars which you clearly don't get as much of on motorways

Can you back your claims up?

Yesterday I could have provided the sources for the statistics but didn't keep the windows open over night... I cannot backup the claim that I've never heard of a 100 car pile up on an urban road... you'd need to trust me on that one.

If you refer to this one https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/worst-ever-rush-hour-crash-12958103 only three died. There are plenty more collisions where more than three have died on an urban road. 

Absolutely... but I said a 100 car pile up not 3 fatalities. Fatalities on urban roads are more common than on motordays thanks to pedestrians, cyclists etc who are much easier to kill than someone in a tin box with structural reinforcements, airbags etc. 

williamgriffin

Sandtree said:

williamgriffin said:

Sandtree said:

williamgriffin said:

Sandtree said:

Biggus_Dickus said:
 Hope the last few pages haven’t put you off motorways forever. They remain the safest of all our roads. 

Depends on how you measure it... much lower rate of incidents but much higher consequences when incidents do occur... if you measure usage by distance travelled they represent 21% of road use but only 3% of known accidents... never heard of a 100 vehicle pileup on an urban road.

Fatalities are not actually that disproportionately higher but thats more to do with most fatalities are people not in cars which you clearly don't get as much of on motorways

Can you back your claims up?

Yesterday I could have provided the sources for the statistics but didn't keep the windows open over night... I cannot backup the claim that I've never heard of a 100 car pile up on an urban road... you'd need to trust me on that one.

If you refer to this one https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/worst-ever-rush-hour-crash-12958103 only three died. There are plenty more collisions where more than three have died on an urban road. 

Absolutely... but I said a 100 car pile up not 3 fatalities. Fatalities on urban roads are more common than on motordays thanks to pedestrians, cyclists etc who are much easier to kill than someone in a tin box with structural reinforcements, airbags etc. 

Just a wild guess, but I'd say a number of the vehicle involved in that didn't have airbags etc to protect the occupants.

Shame your source disappeared overnight as you could have been worthy of a sensible discussion.