Online New Car Buying - ? Pre-Registered Car Con

sweetsand

@RichardD1970
I have skimmed through the links you have posted, I cannot see anyhting about the rules on selling a pre-reg car.
As you are most likley to see this post as it is aimed at you, could you also please read my response to you here and
I'd like your take on it.

Many thanks.

onlyfoolsandparking

A wise person always has something to say and a fool always has to say something 

molerat

sweetsand said:

RichardD1970 said:

Comedy gold. Almost up to DarkMatter standards. 

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-selling-guides/pre-registered-cars/
https://www.webuyanycar.com/guides/selling-and-buying-cars/pre-registered-cars/
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and-advice/141943/buying-a-pre-registered-car-top-tips

No mention of any potential illegal situations there. In fact from the last link
"It’s also important to know that manufacturer warranties begin from the date a car was first registered, not when it was sold. This shouldn’t be a concern if the car is only a few weeks old, but you may have reservations if it’s already several months into its warranty, so make sure to ask. A car sold six months into its warranty should be priced to reflect this."
Sweetsands, you need to re-read what your link says and what is being highlighted as illegal, because it's not what you afre arguing.

Dear Richard
Several have posted very not so nice posts at me but I've still taken time to respond to the usernmae/s intially but enough is enough of the crass comments..
About the warranty, pre-reg, you may have read i have already warned the OP about that ie starts day of pre-reg.
May I ask what is your honesty interpretation of the link I have posted and the the 'ciminal' aspect.??
If you can't, no worries and I will stick to my stance.
Many thanks in advance

The legal point made by DTD and the others is, in their I believe incorrect opinion, that it is illegal to own and drive a vehicle that is not registered to you.  Their quote is clearly nothing to do with selling pre-reg cars before a certain time, that is purely a contractual matter between the dealer and manufacturer over getting cheap demo models which they must use for a certain amount of time driven around by their sales team to promote the brand then sell on at a tidy profit. Selling almost brand new makes that tidy profit even bigger at the manufacturer's expense. Owning and driving a car that is not registered in your name however could cause you to be driving without insurance as it will most likely be against the terms and lead to voided insurance.

The_Rainmaker

Brains of a kaffir fowl.

williamgriffin

sweetsand said:

RichardD1970 said:

Comedy gold. Almost up to DarkMatter standards. 

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-selling-guides/pre-registered-cars/
https://www.webuyanycar.com/guides/selling-and-buying-cars/pre-registered-cars/
https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and-advice/141943/buying-a-pre-registered-car-top-tips

No mention of any potential illegal situations there. In fact from the last link
"It’s also important to know that manufacturer warranties begin from the date a car was first registered, not when it was sold. This shouldn’t be a concern if the car is only a few weeks old, but you may have reservations if it’s already several months into its warranty, so make sure to ask. A car sold six months into its warranty should be priced to reflect this."
Sweetsands, you need to re-read what your link says and what is being highlighted as illegal, because it's not what you afre arguing.

Dear Richard
Several have posted very not so nice posts at me but I've still taken time to respond to the usernmae/s intially but enough is enough of the crass comments..
About the warranty, pre-reg, you may have read i have already warned the OP about that ie starts day of pre-reg.
May I ask what is your honesty interpretation of the link I have posted and the the 'ciminal' aspect.??
If you can't, no worries and I will stick to my stance.
Many thanks in advance

Not very nice as in not agreeing with you?

facade

Forgive me for not reading the other 6 pages, but if it is a criminal offence to keep a car registered to someone else, why aren't the jails full of leasees?

Grumpy_chap

facade said:

Forgive me for not reading the other 6 pages, but if it is a criminal offence to keep a car registered to someone else, why aren't the jails full of leasees?

Dangerous to comment on half a conversation.
The link is about having a car registered to an unrelated company.  Not the case with a lease car, where there is a clear relationship between the lessor and the leassee

daveyjp

facade said:

Forgive me for not reading the other 6 pages, but if it is a criminal offence to keep a car registered to someone else, why aren't the jails full of leasees?

Because thats not what the drivethedeal judgment states.

It is a potential offence not to register a vehicle to the rightful registered keeper as soon as a sale or transfer takes place.

A lease is an agreement to rent a car from a registered keeper, which is the leasing company.

You can't lease a car from a third party leasing company and have the dealer as the registered keeper.

williamgriffin

daveyjp said:

facade said:

Forgive me for not reading the other 6 pages, but if it is a criminal offence to keep a car registered to someone else, why aren't the jails full of leasees?

Because thats not what the drivethedeal judgment states.

It is a potential offence not to register a vehicle to the rightful registered keeper as soon as a sale or transfer takes place.

A lease is an agreement to rent a car from a registered keeper, which is the leasing company.

You can't lease a car from a third party leasing company and have the dealer as the registered keeper.

What's the offence? The owner, person keeping and registered keeper need not be the same person. 

Grumpy_chap

The offence is all about DVLA / Police being unable to send fines to the correct person.

43COffence of using an incorrectly registered vehicle

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if, on a public road or in a public place, he uses a vehicle to which subsection (2) applies and in respect of which—

(a)the name and address of the keeper are not recorded in the register, or

(b)any of the particulars recorded in the register are incorrect.