Redundancy Selection Concerns

MisterBull

getmore4less said:

MisterBull said:

Thanks @Thrugelmir

I totally get where you're coming from, and of course it ultimately comes down to money at the end of the day.  My relationship with the company goes a little further than most due to more personal connections and the relationship was referred to as "special" when encouraging me to not ask any rights-related questions when agreeing to an initial salary cut when COVID started to impact cash flow.  So some element of it does feel more personal.

It's possible it may yet come back to bite them in the !!!!!! as my relationship with most key clients is very close (and on a social level with many of them, beyond business) and those same clients have voiced their support, as there are many aspects of their day to day business that they know I know better and can support more effectively than anyone.  It's partly due to my feelings of loyalty to those same clients that have been loyal to me over the years that I wouldn't want to see the company fail and leave them in the lurch at such a tough time, even when I feel like I've not been well treated myself.  Talk about being torn in two!

MisterBull said:

superbigal said:

Do your 4 weeks. Then tell them it's not for you,  take the money and run would be my advice. I expect numerous "management" roles will be singled out of pools for redundancy. 
Not singling you out but so many companies are now actually wondering what some managers were actually doing when their employees have performed adequately at home without them.

@superbigal, I'm already seeing that happening with friends at all levels of business, right from the retail floor upward.  Partly due to questioning roles I'm sure,  but also due to a feeling that they can claw profits back quicker by running a "lean" setup and working a smaller pool of staff harder.  I know that the guys left at our place have been struggling as a result of work-pileup and not being able to take time off.  Those same guys are even now asking me for help that I cannot give as I'm furloughed.

Is there any way you can leverage the knowledge and experience as a "consultant" for the client base and be in a position to become a contractor back at the old place if(when) things fall apart, especially if the is regulatory constraints that company has to follow.

Places can go lean and mean for a while but over time some stuff just does not get done when key links in the process and procedures are taken out and things that just got fixed/done stop happening.

Furlough rules allow part time working so they could get you back in to do stuff.
(if you are on notice they are paying you at 100% and not furlough rate?)

Thanks @getmore4less

It's a nice thought but the industry I work in (entertainment) is really struggling at the moment and laying off staff in large numbers, so I doubt there's much money about for paying contractors.  Plus, I'm imagining that most clients I've worked with will feel that they already pay the company I work for for the expertise they need, so they might be forgiven for seeing this as paying twice!  That said, some of the key clients I've had social contact with have expressed surprise that I've been let go (as they know full well my strengths when they've relied on them previously), so it may be that there are some areas they'd consider this for.  Perhaps my best bet would be to offer to work extra hours at contract rate for any elements which can reasonably be said to be specific to my previous, better paid role?

I'm currently completing my contract notice on furlough before starting a 4 week trial at the alternative, lower paid role.   I'm on full salary during this period and the company are topping up the difference.  To be honest I'm a bit surprised they've not had me in to try to leverage some of my knowledge and expertise as this will be lost should I leave the company.  As above, I've no idea how the employment regs would regard any request for me to document this for use by others once I'm back on lower salary and new role.  I imagine it could be a bit messy!

Thrugelmir

MisterBull said:

getmore4less said:

MisterBull said:

Thanks @Thrugelmir

I totally get where you're coming from, and of course it ultimately comes down to money at the end of the day.  My relationship with the company goes a little further than most due to more personal connections and the relationship was referred to as "special" when encouraging me to not ask any rights-related questions when agreeing to an initial salary cut when COVID started to impact cash flow.  So some element of it does feel more personal.

It's possible it may yet come back to bite them in the !!!!!! as my relationship with most key clients is very close (and on a social level with many of them, beyond business) and those same clients have voiced their support, as there are many aspects of their day to day business that they know I know better and can support more effectively than anyone.  It's partly due to my feelings of loyalty to those same clients that have been loyal to me over the years that I wouldn't want to see the company fail and leave them in the lurch at such a tough time, even when I feel like I've not been well treated myself.  Talk about being torn in two!

MisterBull said:

superbigal said:

Do your 4 weeks. Then tell them it's not for you,  take the money and run would be my advice. I expect numerous "management" roles will be singled out of pools for redundancy. 
Not singling you out but so many companies are now actually wondering what some managers were actually doing when their employees have performed adequately at home without them.

@superbigal, I'm already seeing that happening with friends at all levels of business, right from the retail floor upward.  Partly due to questioning roles I'm sure,  but also due to a feeling that they can claw profits back quicker by running a "lean" setup and working a smaller pool of staff harder.  I know that the guys left at our place have been struggling as a result of work-pileup and not being able to take time off.  Those same guys are even now asking me for help that I cannot give as I'm furloughed.

Is there any way you can leverage the knowledge and experience as a "consultant" for the client base and be in a position to become a contractor back at the old place if(when) things fall apart, especially if the is regulatory constraints that company has to follow.

Places can go lean and mean for a while but over time some stuff just does not get done when key links in the process and procedures are taken out and things that just got fixed/done stop happening.

Furlough rules allow part time working so they could get you back in to do stuff.
(if you are on notice they are paying you at 100% and not furlough rate?)

To be honest I'm a bit surprised they've not had me in to try to leverage some of my knowledge and expertise as this will be lost should I leave the company.  

The Company will get by. Might not be easy. But they will. Life goes on. Employees are little more than passing ships.