Holiday Pay.

Tareq

gwynlas said:

They can dictate when you take your holiday otherwise everyone would be entitled to all their holiday on return to work and they would not be able to fit everyones holiday in before the end of the leave year.

Respect 🙏 for the comment. They did mention it to me the reason why & I've agreed. But the pay seemed wrong. Especially, when they didn't explain me anything at all. Even upto today, I’ve spoken to many people from my management but no one seem to kmow the answer. They told me a third party is doing the calculation ☹. Anyway, I'll  leave it now, another payday is coming, let's see what they do this time. I just wanted to know the facts. Thanks for your help & input. I really  appreciate it.

Tareq

getmore4less said:

it does not matter where it comes from but does matter if it is not right.

I don't see how the top up of ~£70  is right if it is a 20% top up it should ~£80-£90

Holiday pay(since April 2020 )when the pay is variable   is the average of the previous 52 weeks pay.

This employer maybe doing it wrong.

Dear getmore4less.
I'm glad that you've understood my inquiry. I've never mentioned anywhere here why my employer isn't paying me lot's because it's govt's money. I don't know why "Comms69" was being so rude & saying something doesn't even make sense. He speaks like I'm being greedy & want free money. I've clearly mentioned everything in details about the reason for my inquiry. If we can't ask for help from a fellow human being when need advice, why do we even we call ourselves human. Not everyone's understanding is same. No point being rude. People should feel others pain not hurt them when already hurt. I thought this is a discussion forum not a teachers forum that if the students don't understand teachers will shout.
When I started this discussion I wasn't aware of those rule changes you've mentioned on the top. If this is the rule, who are we to complain. No one explained so, I asked questions. And to "Comms69": If you're thinking I'm Karen, then for your information: I'm not 😀.

Xbigman

The OP said that they didn't get a full months pay last August. If that happens a few times a year it can drag the average pay down if you work it out over 52 weeks. The furlough pay for the holiday period is 80% of the holiday rate. That's within the realms of possibility if the OP's earnings are sometimes lower. The OP needs to look at their earnings over 52 weeks/a year and see if they got a 12th of that figure (if they are paid monthly). If they are within a few pounds it's probably right.
The only explanation I can think of for any difference is if they have only had the job 11.5 months and it's been calculated as 12 monthly periods, but one is short.

Darren

Tareq

Xbigman said:

The OP said that they didn't get a full months pay last August. If that happens a few times a year it can drag the average pay down if you work it out over 52 weeks. The furlough pay for the holiday period is 80% of the holiday rate. That's within the realms of possibility if the OP's earnings are sometimes lower. The OP needs to look at their earnings over 52 weeks/a year and see if they got a 12th of that figure (if they are paid monthly). If they are within a few pounds it's probably right.
The only explanation I can think of for any difference is if they have only had the job 11.5 months and it's been calculated as 12 monthly periods, but one is short.

Darren

The reply I've received today from the payroll is below:

So your calculation for holidays is as below:

Furlough amount £650.95/ 80% = £813.69 (100%)

 £813.69 – £650.95 = £162.74 (20% Top up value that is missing in your pay)

 £162.74 / 23 (working days in July) * 10 (holiday day) = £70.76

Holidays pay was calculated based on missing 20% of your pay.

Hope that maybe now it is more clear.

(My initial NOTICE from my employer received back in 22/5:- The extension letter is now ready to go please see attached your copy. Decision has been made to allow our team members to take 2 weeks holiday in July which will be topped up to 100% of their pay).

Now, they are dividing 20%= £162.74 by 23 days and giving us the 10 days= £70.76 which is 88.7% of my "USUAL PAY"??? As by their usual pay 100% would be £813.69 but paid me £721.71.

Does it seems like they have done a right calculation?

Thanks.

I really appreciate your help.

Tareq

These are the 📊 I've made to understand. Please tell me which one seems to be the right one 😀. Thanks

getmore4less

They need to start from the average of the previous 52weeks.

pscocoa

I saw on the MSE website in relation to preparing for redundancy a comment-that when the employer has given you notice of termination of employment by reason of redundancy, the employee has the OPTION to take or be paid for holidays. Is this correct as someone I know is having holidays enforced during the 12 week notice period despite having first been told she would be paid holiday- she was previously on furlough up to the date of termination?

getmore4less

WHat you say MSE say is wrong, employer can tell you when to take your holiday with contractual notice for holidays and if none statutory notice for holidays

With 12weeks termination notice that is enough time to most peoples holidays using statutory holiday notice of twice the holidays (contractual notice can be zero)

pscocoa

getmore4less said:

WHat you say MSE say is wrong, employer can tell you when to take your holiday with contractual notice for holidays and if none statutory notice for holidays

With 12weeks termination notice that is enough time to most peoples holidays using statutory holiday notice of twice the holidays (contractual notice can be zero)

Thanks - I thought that was the case but the context for holiday enforcement on other parts of the web was when the employee had given notice. I hope MSE will check their item. Might be me of course.

pscocoa

This is extracted from Already been made redundant on MSE 

“Holiday pay

If you have accrued but not used holiday days, you are entitled to be paid for these (or given the option to use them in your final weeks).”