Wondering about change to low emission vehicles

kangoora

I was just looking at a thread on EVs and got to wondering how on earth it is going to work in the future with them. If you have a nice suburban house with a drive then no problem at all to slap in a charging point. However, if you live in on the 10th floor of a block of flats without dedicated parking or have onstreet parking such as the 1,000s of terraced streets in this country how is it going to work? Are they going to have to dig in charging points from each house - of course the problem then is you need a dedicated parking space............

Market for EVs is supposed to be 100% by 2035 and net zero emission 100% by 2050 - I'm struggling to see how this woud be possible for large numbers of the UK population, I guess solar panel roofs wouldn't be an option in UK ?

daveyjp

Rather than start another thread on EVs it won't take much Googling to find answers to your questions.

Here's a starting clue.  Does everyone who owns a petrol car have a petrol pump on their drive?

Highland76

daveyjp said:

  Does everyone who owns a petrol car have a petrol pump on their drive?

So you're saying you can just pop into your nearest EV charging station first thing in the morning (eg on your way to work) and charge your EV from 10% to 100% in 5 mins, like you can with a petrol/diesel vehicle? That might indeed be the normal in 50 years from now, but pretty sure it can't be done yet with any EV.

sweetsand

kangoora said:

I was just looking at a thread on EVs and got to wondering how on earth it is going to work in the future with them. If you have a nice suburban house with a drive then no problem at all to slap in a charging point. However, if you live in on the 10th floor of a block of flats without dedicated parking or have onstreet parking such as the 1,000s of terraced streets in this country how is it going to work? Are they going to have to dig in charging points from each house - of course the problem then is you need a dedicated parking space............

Market for EVs is supposed to be 100% by 2035 and net zero emission 100% by 2050 - I'm struggling to see how this woud be possible for large numbers of the UK population, I guess solar panel roofs wouldn't be an option in UK ?

Valid questions IMO
Saw a news item recently and poss just chatter but build in wirel chaging points into the roads as you drive park. Then you have the super chargers that charge within 1 hour and batteries that run up to 400 miles one something close to that.
Chargers off lamp posts and like parking meteres.
I used to lol at eltric cars being the norm but older and wiser and the fumes, it does appear the way forward, we will see.

I also read about more powerful solar panels that are cheaper to ake build into cars

its worth it cutting pollution but I love our diesel, petrol cars.

DUTR

Highland76 said:

daveyjp said:

  Does everyone who owns a petrol car have a petrol pump on their drive?

So you're saying you can just pop into your nearest EV charging station first thing in the morning (eg on your way to work) and charge your EV from 10% to 100% in 5 mins, like you can with a petrol/diesel vehicle? That might indeed be the normal in 50 years from now, but pretty sure it can't be done yet with any EV.

Why need to do it 1st thing? In the city centre, some parking bays are also charging points.
Plus, just as is already, one doesn't need to wait until the battery is low before recharging it. 

Highland76

I’ve no doubt that we will all be driving EVs in 100 years from now but as things stand, they are an expensive novelty. Some things which have to change massively before EVs become the norm:
* Up front cost - not everyone can afford a £70k Tesla 
* More charging points outside urban areas (believe it or not, not everyone lives in cities)
* Better battery range, ie 300+ miles on a full charge
* Quicker battery charging times

Until all/most of the above improve, no way on earth is every man & his dog going to be driving an EV - no matter how much the Gov’t may want us to. 

ElephantBoy57

The 'clean air zone' in Leeds has again been put on hold. Because the city now has clean air, thanks to COVID. Leeds city council are awaiting further advice from the Government. These charges were brought in because of EU clean air laws, not that we have left the EU, will the air be clean enough when the cleaner EURO6 vehicles become common place?

Ectophile

People are forgetting about destination charging.  At the moment, it takes about 1/2 hour to put an 80% change into most EVs.

My local Tesco now has a shiny new charging point.  It takes at least 1/2 hour to do a weekly shop.  Problem solved.

These chargers are going to start popping up all over the place - hotels, shops, offices and so on.  The idea of driving to a special place to refill your car will gradually go away.  You charge it at a place you were going to anyway.

born_again

Ectophile said:

People are forgetting about destination charging.  At the moment, it takes about 1/2 hour to put an 80% change into most EVs.

My local Tesco now has a shiny new charging point.  It takes at least 1/2 hour to do a weekly shop.  Problem solved.

These chargers are going to start popping up all over the place - hotels, shops, offices and so on.  The idea of driving to a special place to refill your car will gradually go away.  You charge it at a place you were going to anyway.

And when someone else gets the same idea?
Also charging away from home is more expensive. With large variations in cost.
Local Aldi has one as well. Always has someone parked in it. Quite often a ICE.....
Yes things will get better over time. It's just a matter of how quick.
Perhaps rather than spending billions on HS2 & superfast broadband. We should invest in EV infrastructure. Which would give a far better return on our taxes.

daveyjp

Highland76 said:

daveyjp said:

  Does everyone who owns a petrol car have a petrol pump on their drive?

So you're saying you can just pop into your nearest EV charging station first thing in the morning (eg on your way to work) and charge your EV from 10% to 100% in 5 mins, like you can with a petrol/diesel vehicle? That might indeed be the normal in 50 years from now, but pretty sure it can't be done yet with any EV.

The OP is talking about 2035.  The first ICE cars in the UK were manufactured in 1895.  It took another 25 years before what we now know as a petrol station came into being.

The first mainstream electric car in the UK was the Leaf, its now 10 years since launch.  2035 is 15 years away, so by 2035 we will be 25 years into EV development and advances will be far greater than a petrol pump on a forecourt.

kangoora

daveyjp said:

Rather than start another thread on EVs it won't take much Googling to find answers to your questions.

Here's a starting clue.  Does everyone who owns a petrol car have a petrol pump on their drive?

Well, sorry it didn't meet your criteria for a useful thread - you could have just ignored it

I've vaguely looked at EVs all types and the up-front cost seems horrendous. Add to that I am now retired ( a couple of years ago) and my mileage has dropped like a stone. I used to do anything from 12 - 14k miles/year on average, now it's less than 6k (probably a fair bit less, difficult to gauge fully as wife and I share a car and she is still working and using it most of the time). The payback period on the difference in price between a decent mpg conventional engine and an EV seems way too long - maybe I've got my calculations wrong?

They are going to need 1,000's of extra charge points and, in a lot of places, where are they going to put them (London or any other large city urban area for example). Then, obviously, when the government starts losing all that lovely duty and VAT on petrol/diesel sales I also think it won't be very long before they think of a way to charge horrendous duties on these 'off-home' chargers to recoup their shortfall. Those with home charging setups should stay fine but I wouldn't be surprised to see charging anywhere but your own home will become really expensive in relative terms. It's either that or a) raise the money from some other taxation or b) maybe implement a 'special' EV duty on the sale of EV cars or c) something else. One thing is pretty much guaranteed, if the government is 'losing' money through an implementation of something they will claw it back via some other method...........