Voluntary Police interview-help needed.

Comms69

sweetsand said:

Please ensure you have some kind of rep there it is important. Be concise promise yourself that. Stick to the facts.
IMO, as the other poster stated it is indeed not unreasonable to catch a bus or two.
I'm sure you can support her and if reuqired help her with the fares but I'm guess that as you said she was working she must have some savings.

ATM, please is not sure who is telling the truth etc and to be cooperative imo helps your case and keep clam

When she leave, ask what will happen next and approx time scales

Thanks

They shouldnt say anything until the solicitor has advised them, which may well be tell the whole story, or say no comment. 

Comms69

Peterpan18 said:

onwards&upwards said:

Was it an abusive relationship?  If so contact women's aid for advice.  The police have a duty of care to victims of domestic abuse and should support her to be able to deal with the situation without causing further distress or harm.  

Although getting a bus doesn't seem too unreasonable if there is one that goes there?

Yes both Physically & Mentally, we have dealt with most of that even applied for Non Molestation Order that we were mislead by the Judge and agreed to an undertaking instead. We are back to court shortly to sort that out.

Meanwhile the ex and his new woman if anywhere in my daughters vicinity, do an excellent job of goading her & her family. He was doing this in a local pub last week so my daughter approached the door staff, explained the position, showed them the order and he was asked to leave. - as there is no order, just an undertaking. She should be careful who she shows what. She opens herself up to civil proceedings. Best just get a new order enforced.

We believe that he has made a complaint to the Police about something that night and as a result they want to interview 3 of the 5 people in my daughters party. They all say that besides getting a bit loud that night they did nothing wrong. This is how he operates and we need to convince the Police that we have had enough of his antics and use of the Police to harass my daughter and her family hence this time we want a duty Solicitor. - Just for edification, you should always ask for legal advice if facing an allegation We have also asked to see the sector Inspector about the whole situation.

My daughter has done nothing wrong at any time but she is the one being persecuted either by his solicitors or the Police, all on his say so and it has to stop.

I have told the Police I will be accompanying her as she is considered a vulnerable person - it's unlikely you'll be allowed in the interview. That is why she has a solicitor and I have her medical records to prove this, she has already made one suicide attempt. We have to stop him pushing her over the edge again.

Really i think this needs a pragmatic approach, get the non-mol sorted. Use that to keep him at bay

Peterpan18

Comms69 said:

Peterpan18 said:

onwards&upwards said:

Was it an abusive relationship?  If so contact women's aid for advice.  The police have a duty of care to victims of domestic abuse and should support her to be able to deal with the situation without causing further distress or harm.  

Although getting a bus doesn't seem too unreasonable if there is one that goes there?

Yes both Physically & Mentally, we have dealt with most of that even applied for Non Molestation Order that we were mislead by the Judge and agreed to an undertaking instead. We are back to court shortly to sort that out.

Meanwhile the ex and his new woman if anywhere in my daughters vicinity, do an excellent job of goading her & her family. He was doing this in a local pub last week so my daughter approached the door staff, explained the position, showed them the order and he was asked to leave. - as there is no order, just an undertaking. She should be careful who she shows what. She opens herself up to civil proceedings. Best just get a new order enforced.

We believe that he has made a complaint to the Police about something that night and as a result they want to interview 3 of the 5 people in my daughters party. They all say that besides getting a bit loud that night they did nothing wrong. This is how he operates and we need to convince the Police that we have had enough of his antics and use of the Police to harass my daughter and her family hence this time we want a duty Solicitor. - Just for edification, you should always ask for legal advice if facing an allegation We have also asked to see the sector Inspector about the whole situation.

My daughter has done nothing wrong at any time but she is the one being persecuted either by his solicitors or the Police, all on his say so and it has to stop.

I have told the Police I will be accompanying her as she is considered a vulnerable person - it's unlikely you'll be allowed in the interview. That is why she has a solicitor and I have her medical records to prove this, she has already made one suicide attempt. We have to stop him pushing her over the edge again.

Really i think this needs a pragmatic approach, get the non-mol sorted. Use that to keep him at bay

As far as showing the order goes, this was advised by a Solicitor. As she is considered a "vulnerable person" she is allowed a appropriate adult, to ensure her well being and a solicitor to protect her legal interests.

Peterpan18

Comms69 said:

sweetsand said:

Please ensure you have some kind of rep there it is important. Be concise promise yourself that. Stick to the facts.
IMO, as the other poster stated it is indeed not unreasonable to catch a bus or two.
I'm sure you can support her and if reuqired help her with the fares but I'm guess that as you said she was working she must have some savings.

ATM, please is not sure who is telling the truth etc and to be cooperative imo helps your case and keep clam

When she leave, ask what will happen next and approx time scales

Thanks

They shouldnt say anything until the solicitor has advised them, which may well be tell the whole story, or say no comment. 

I agree completely, we are taking a pre prepared "statement" with us that if the solicitor advises, we will use that and then no further comment. All this will depend on the accusation made by him.

Comms69

Peterpan18 said:

Comms69 said:

Peterpan18 said:

onwards&upwards said:

Was it an abusive relationship?  If so contact women's aid for advice.  The police have a duty of care to victims of domestic abuse and should support her to be able to deal with the situation without causing further distress or harm.  

Although getting a bus doesn't seem too unreasonable if there is one that goes there?

Yes both Physically & Mentally, we have dealt with most of that even applied for Non Molestation Order that we were mislead by the Judge and agreed to an undertaking instead. We are back to court shortly to sort that out.

Meanwhile the ex and his new woman if anywhere in my daughters vicinity, do an excellent job of goading her & her family. He was doing this in a local pub last week so my daughter approached the door staff, explained the position, showed them the order and he was asked to leave. - as there is no order, just an undertaking. She should be careful who she shows what. She opens herself up to civil proceedings. Best just get a new order enforced.

We believe that he has made a complaint to the Police about something that night and as a result they want to interview 3 of the 5 people in my daughters party. They all say that besides getting a bit loud that night they did nothing wrong. This is how he operates and we need to convince the Police that we have had enough of his antics and use of the Police to harass my daughter and her family hence this time we want a duty Solicitor. - Just for edification, you should always ask for legal advice if facing an allegation We have also asked to see the sector Inspector about the whole situation.

My daughter has done nothing wrong at any time but she is the one being persecuted either by his solicitors or the Police, all on his say so and it has to stop.

I have told the Police I will be accompanying her as she is considered a vulnerable person - it's unlikely you'll be allowed in the interview. That is why she has a solicitor and I have her medical records to prove this, she has already made one suicide attempt. We have to stop him pushing her over the edge again.

Really i think this needs a pragmatic approach, get the non-mol sorted. Use that to keep him at bay

As far as showing the order goes, this was advised by a Solicitor. As she is considered a "vulnerable person" she is allowed a appropriate adult, to ensure her well being and a solicitor to protect her legal interests.

I'd just double check. As far as i'm aware the only time an AA is allowed is if she lack certain mental capacities. Dont rely on a solicitor for this, ask the police. 

What exactly did she show. Because there is no order if undertakings are done. So showing a defective non-mol risks exactly this kind of thing happening

Comms69

Peterpan18 said:

Comms69 said:

sweetsand said:

Please ensure you have some kind of rep there it is important. Be concise promise yourself that. Stick to the facts.
IMO, as the other poster stated it is indeed not unreasonable to catch a bus or two.
I'm sure you can support her and if reuqired help her with the fares but I'm guess that as you said she was working she must have some savings.

ATM, please is not sure who is telling the truth etc and to be cooperative imo helps your case and keep clam

When she leave, ask what will happen next and approx time scales

Thanks

They shouldnt say anything until the solicitor has advised them, which may well be tell the whole story, or say no comment. 

I agree completely, we are taking a pre prepared "statement" with us that if the solicitor advises, we will use that and then no further comment. All this will depend on the accusation made by him.

Stop. 

Dont take anything with you. You'll prepare a statement with the solicitor. 

You dont know what has been accused, so no point preparing anything now. 

sweetsand

Comms69 said:

Peterpan18 said:

Comms69 said:

sweetsand said:

Please ensure you have some kind of rep there it is important. Be concise promise yourself that. Stick to the facts.
IMO, as the other poster stated it is indeed not unreasonable to catch a bus or two.
I'm sure you can support her and if reuqired help her with the fares but I'm guess that as you said she was working she must have some savings.

ATM, please is not sure who is telling the truth etc and to be cooperative imo helps your case and keep clam

When she leave, ask what will happen next and approx time scales

Thanks

They shouldnt say anything until the solicitor has advised them, which may well be tell the whole story, or say no comment. 

I agree completely, we are taking a pre prepared "statement" with us that if the solicitor advises, we will use that and then no further comment. All this will depend on the accusation made by him.

Stop. 

Dont take anything with you. You'll prepare a statement with the solicitor. 

You dont know what has been accused, so no point preparing anything now. 

100% agree as you never know what is to be fired at you.
Must have a solictor present.
Only answer by way of being sure about your answer, ie do not be tempted to spice up, I'm sure you won't.
Ask via solictor what happens next if they don't tell you
Stick to the facts, remain honest no mater what lies
have been thrown at you - do not be pressured into an
answer - so if you don't know you don't.
Even if the cops seem hard, remain polite as they are only doing their job
The vast majority o the time, truth previals.
Again, good luck and please do go as you have nothing to hide or fear.

Comms69

Just my opinion, but I suspect that this could be a complaint of harassment.

from what you’ve said OP, I think it might be that showing the defective order - he is claiming is a part of a course of conduct, given that undertakings were given. 

I don’t know ofcourse- but that seems logical if he’s got a solicitor advising him. 

Peterpan18

I wanted to avoid getting into too much detail but......

I will try to explain and answer the above comments, advice etc

Comms69 Daughter lacks proper capacity however Police have told me that I cannot be her AA as I am involved in the case so they are arranging one now. She showed him a copy of the undertaking given by him to the court the door staff acted on that she made it clear it was an undertaking. A publican has the right, without explanation to refuse service and ask persons to leave without reason anyway.

Re prepared statement it will be shown and discussed with the Solicitor first if he okay's with it she will just read it. We know it was an incident in a local pub and there has only been the one. We dont know exactly what the complaint is but the statement is more of a"history lesson" including the numerous times she has been harassed by him and the Police have have only spoken to him about some of them. We have more than 15 examples (I wont list them) of this with no police action against him. The remainder of her statement is her recollection of the events of that night. There was 5 in her group however the Police only want to see 3 of them, strange??

We, the family have been dealing with this since last September and he still is getting away with making false reports to the police, organisations etc. He even told her fella "you should get rid of that Physco !!!!!! you have outside" last week, the list of his behaviour towards her is endless. I had an long meeting with a senior officer yesterday about what she has, despite being the victim, had to endure he was unaware as they dont collate files. The Officer now has a copy all my files (97 pages) and he has promised to investigate and come back to me. The Police to date have failed to protect her no wonder she tried to take her life last year! We are worried she cant take much more and will try again.

Sweetsand- I agree my worry is she is so highly strung at the moment she will just go skywards hence I would like to sit in because I can calm her down and stop it happening as I can see the warning signs. Looks like it's going to be 3pm next Monday so lets just hope and then we can get a order thats enforceable rather than the undertaking thats not worth the paper it's printed on.

Thanks everyone.

Comms69

Peterpan18 said:

I wanted to avoid getting into too much detail but......

I will try to explain and answer the above comments, advice etc

Comms69 Daughter lacks proper capacity - thanks for clarifying, it is important (and tbf something i suspected)  however Police have told me that I cannot be her AA as I am involved in the case so they are arranging one now. She showed him a copy of the undertaking given by him to the court the door staff acted on that she made it clear it was an undertaking. A publican has the right, without explanation to refuse service and ask persons to leave without reason anyway. - You're right. And i have a right to call any number on my phone/ be involved in mma / walk down a street. Something being legal, doesnt mean it's not also illegal in context. 

Re prepared statement it will be shown and discussed with the Solicitor first if he okay's with it she will just read it. - And if she's arrested and the document is seized it has no legal protection that one would have with a solicitor.  We know it was an incident in a local pub and there has only been the one. - you dont know what the allegation is. So you dont know what it refers to. READ THIS BIT: people lie. You might prepare a statement based upon the truth as you know it. And that might have nothing to do with the allegation, or the allegation is a variant of the truth. So for example: You think it's about that incident. So you write a statement all about how you were all there etc etc. And he alleges that he was attacked down the street 10 minutes after. You've just confirmed that you were all in the vicinity at the time of the alleged assault. We dont know exactly what the complaint is but the statement is more of a"history lesson" including the numerous times she has been harassed by him and the Police have have only spoken to him about some of them. - irrelevant. Without being funny and without being rude - you dont have the experience or knowledge of police interviews to do this. The difference between a charge and an NFA is legal advice. Here's an example changed slightly - An allegation was made that someone entered a shop in order to harass their ex partner. The 'victim' made a statement that they were followed in; and followed around the shop. The ex partner was arrested. In interview they followed solicitors advice, presented the version of events which cast doubt (correctly) upon the investigation and the result was NFA. Had they just come in with a statement saying they saw their ex in the shop and approached them, they would have been charged. We have more than 15 examples (I wont list them) of this with no police action against him. - that is totally irrelevant. The victim does not dictate any action or otherwise that the police take. In fact such a statement is likely to be taken as: "the police are useless so we took action into our own hands, and here's 15 reasons why". The remainder of her statement is her recollection of the events of that night. There was 5 in her group however the Police only want to see 3 of them, strange?? - not strange at all. the police want to interview 3 people as suspects in a criminal investigation; this isnt a chat. 

We, the family have been dealing with this since last September and he still is getting away with making false reports to the police, organisations etc. He even told her fella "you should get rid of that Physco !!!!!! you have outside" -  I understand that's not pleasant, but it's petty ex behaviour, best thing to do is just walk away. last week, the list of his behaviour towards her is endless. I had an long meeting with a senior officer yesterday about what she has, despite being the victim, had to endure he was unaware as they dont collate files. The Officer now has a copy all my files (97 pages) and he has promised to investigate and come back to me. The Police to date have failed to protect her no wonder she tried to take her life last year! We are worried she cant take much more and will try again. - i understand, and i hope her MH improves 

Sweetsand- I agree my worry is she is so highly strung at the moment she will just go skywards hence I would like to sit in because I can calm her down and stop it happening as I can see the warning signs. Looks like it's going to be 3pm next Monday so lets just hope and then we can get a order thats enforceable rather than the undertaking thats not worth the paper it's printed on.

Thanks everyone.

Please, read what i've written. This interview is not about anything other than an allegation that 3 people have committed a criminal act. Trying to introduce the victims bad behaviour into this is only providing evidence that there was significant motive to seek revenge