Train Penalty Fare - Straight to Court

gplinge

crispyjay1987 said:

I should also clarify this has come in 3 stages-

1) £20 was the initial fine that I appealed in January. 
2) £150 (£100 if I pleaded guilty) came from the magistrates 6 months later
3) £330 is the latest magistrates fine after pleading guilty.

No communication between January-June

Suspect would need to see paperwork - could be the £100 or £150 is the prosecutor costs an the other sum is the fine imposed by the magistrates for whatever offence they convicted you of (assuming it was heard in a court) 

crispyjay1987

gplinge said:

crispyjay1987 said:

I should also clarify this has come in 3 stages-

1) £20 was the initial fine that I appealed in January. 
2) £150 (£100 if I pleaded guilty) came from the magistrates 6 months later
3) £330 is the latest magistrates fine after pleading guilty.

No communication between January-June

Suspect would need to see paperwork - could be the £100 or £150 is the prosecutor costs an the other sum is the fine imposed by the magistrates for whatever offence they convicted you of (assuming it was heard in a court) 

I Imagine You're right. I was stupid enough not to scan the paperwork before I sent it back so I can't confirm but makes sense.

I have submitted another appeal to a different ticket/train appeals that I've been directed to so hopefully something will come from that. I'll keep you informed

Umkomaas

This case is nothing whatsoever to do with private parking issues. Maybe OP you should get some free legal advice over on the LegalBeagles forum.  Take it there to see if they can help. 

Manxman_in_exile

If you haven't already done so, you should go and post here, which somebody else has already suggested:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152/

I'm afraid I'm confused by your description of events.  It seems you tried to appeal to the train operating company, then you heard from the magistrates court that you would be fined £yyy unless you pleaded guilty (which I think you did) and then you were told by the magistrates that you'd been found guilty and were fined £yyy plus a lot more.  Is that more or less it?

There is a process whereby you can reset a conviction that you previously knew nothing about, back to the hearing stage by making a statutory declaration within 21 days of first hearing of the conviction.  Whether this applies to you I do not know as you give no timelines and I don't know how long ago you first found out about the conviction.  [Edit:  A court might accept ti outside 21 days, but you'd need a bl00dy good reason - I'm not sure you've got one.]

I would also try asking here:  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/112-public-transport-trains-tubes-and-buses/

I know you say you've learnt your lesson, but never ever discard your train ticket before you leave the station!

[Edit 2:  To clarify, if you make a statutory declaration within 21 days of first finding out about the conviction, the court has no choice but to accept it and reset the conviction so you subsequently get a fair hearing.  If you make a stat dec after 21 days, they can choose to reject it unless you have a good reason for the delay.  I don't know where you would stand in this as I don't understand your description of events and what has happened and when.  Go to the first link in this post and ask there.]

lisyloo

Do you have legal insurance on your home cover?

Hasbeen

OP. Sorry to me your post is really confusing.  Do not understand why you are posting on a forum about parking tickets, not even the one on MSE about Public Transport, or why you assume Network Rail, the company responsible for the railway infrastructure is the one to deal with this. And not the train company whose train you travelled on?

Is it Network Rail you have been contacting? They will say it is not their remit.

If you had paid the £20 penalty at the time, then suspect you could then have appealed to the appropriate train company?

Suspect it is now to late to try and rectify, as you have already pleaded guilty.

Would think now a dedicated rail forum is the place to go for further advice. Try below as most posters are railway / train company employees.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152/

You will get more experienced advice there. And do it ASAP.

crispyjay1987

Hasbeen said:

OP. Sorry to me your post is really confusing.  Do not understand why you are posting on a forum about parking tickets, not even the one on MSE about Public Transport, or why you assume Network Rail, the company responsible for the railway infrastructure is the one to deal with this. And not the train company whose train you travelled on?

Is it Network Rail you have been contacting? They will say it is not their remit.

If you had paid the £20 penalty at the time, then suspect you could then have appealed to the appropriate train company?

Suspect it is now to late to try and rectify, as you have already pleaded guilty.

Would think now a dedicated rail forum is the place to go for further advice. Try below as most posters are railway / train company employees.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152/

You will get more experienced advice there. And do it ASAP.

It's in this forum as I couldn't find the train fare forum lol

I will most definitely post to the rail forum site you mentioned.

Network Rail and Network West midlands have been batting me left and right as Neither have pointed me in the right direction and Network Rail appears on rail Tickets. I have written to both and have been appealing with the designated fines system that I have been directed to. They have pointed out that they don't run the service but have been incredibly unhelpful in telling me who I SHOULD be speaking to. (Hence this forum).

If I'd paid the £20 fine it would be done and dusted and if I'd known that is would spark this much of an issue I would have done. I appealed as I was advised to.

My issue now is I am being taken to court by a company who has claimed to been writing to me when they haven't. At this point the first fine isn't the issue.

Umkomaas

Save it for the Railway forum where you will get in depth advice from people who specialise in train-related stuff.

Hasbeen

crispyjay1987 said:

Hasbeen said:

OP. Sorry to me your post is really confusing.  Do not understand why you are posting on a forum about parking tickets, not even the one on MSE about Public Transport, or why you assume Network Rail, the company responsible for the railway infrastructure is the one to deal with this. And not the train company whose train you travelled on?

Is it Network Rail you have been contacting? They will say it is not their remit.

If you had paid the £20 penalty at the time, then suspect you could then have appealed to the appropriate train company?

Suspect it is now to late to try and rectify, as you have already pleaded guilty.

Would think now a dedicated rail forum is the place to go for further advice. Try below as most posters are railway / train company employees.

https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152/

You will get more experienced advice there. And do it ASAP.

It's in this forum as I couldn't find the train fare forum lol

I will most definitely post to the rail forum site you mentioned.

Network Rail and Network West midlands have been batting me left and right as Neither have pointed me in the right direction and Network Rail appears on rail Tickets. I have written to both and have been appealing with the designated fines system that I have been directed to. They have pointed out that they don't run the service but have been incredibly unhelpful in telling me who I SHOULD be speaking to. (Hence this forum).

If I'd paid the £20 fine it would be done and dusted and if I'd known that is would spark this much of an issue I would have done. I appealed as I was advised to.

My issue now is I am being taken to court by a company who has claimed to been writing to me when they haven't. At this point the first fine isn't the issue.

OP the next forum down states Public Transport even mentions  train fares?

Also is it not National Rail that appears on the tickets not Network?   But try the rail forum.

Tigsteroonie

Hasbeen said:

OP the next forum down states Public Transport even mentions  train fares?

Also is it not National Rail that appears on the tickets not Network?   But try the rail forum.

Yes it is National Rail. But I think the OP is having trouble with his/her reading ...