Direct Payment figures dont make sense, cant get any answers from anywhere

michael079

poppy12345 said:

It should all work itself out correctly though. I'm assuming she still has to pay a contribution? I still don't understand why you haven't paid yourself. Surely there's funds in the account for you?

No she only paid a contribution because the care company charged more than council contribution and im not going to be charging her more. I would pay myself already but I don't know what amount that should be and how to calculate It? Do I work it out at the hourly rate that it always was? Or do I work it out at the hourly rate but only for 28 days per month? Is it possible because i am family I am expected to settle for less? If that was the case though surely they would have at least said so?  

poppy12345

Your hourly rate should have been agreed before you started. Even though you're family, you will still need a contract of employment, that states everything you need to know, including your hourly rate. You should have also discussed how many hours per week and how often you should receive your pay. It's very strange why this hasn't happened.

Even though you're family it doesn't mean your mum still doesn't need to make her contribution. We can't see any paper work, how much for care plans, agreed amounts or anything here, so it's not possible to give any advice. I can only advise you with how it works for my daughter.

I just find it difficult to understand why nothing was agreed before you started. Very strange. May i ask who deals with the payroll? I have a seperate company, that was arranged by my local council, as previously advised. They deal with timesheets, hours worked, payslips and tax for HMRC that my daughters PA needs to pay from her wages. I then pay HMRC on behalf of the PA. This is also paid every 4 weeks.

How much your wages are will depend on how often you're paid. If it's monthly, then it will be on the same date each month. Or 4 weekly, which means the date each month will change.

michael079

poppy12345 said:

Your hourly rate should have been agreed before you started. Even though you're family, you will still need a contract of employment, that states everything you need to know, including your hourly rate. You should have also discussed how many hours per week and how often you should receive your pay. It's very strange why this hasn't happened.

Even though you're family it doesn't mean your mum still doesn't need to make her contribution. We can't see any paper work, how much for care plans, agreed amounts or anything here, so it's not possible to give any advice. I can only advise you with how it works for my daughter.

I just find it difficult to understand why nothing was agreed before you started. Very strange. May i ask who deals with the payroll? I have a seperate company, that was arranged by my local council, as previously advised. They deal with timesheets, hours worked, payslips and tax for HMRC that my daughters PA needs to pay from her wages. I then pay HMRC on behalf of the PA. This is also paid every 4 weeks.

How much your wages are will depend on how often you're paid. If it's monthly, then it will be on the same date each month. Or 4 weekly, which means the date each month will change.

The council or social services calculated the amount for her direct  payment back in December. Because the care company we went with charged slightly more, she had to make a contribution to cover the shortfall but now that they are no longer with us she no longer needs to make a contribution.
The council pay her direct payment into an allpay account every month and from there I would pay the care company. After I took over, I was  told by the council that in these special circumstances I should just pay myself until a new care company is needed.
The social worker sent me out an update version of the support plan which had the updated figures with the extra 3 hours per week on It. 
The previous company would deal with their own taxes etc omce i had paid them and I Will be doing the same. Not sure where you are, maybe things are slightly different here in Scotland. 

Nannytone

That is an adult payments work.
They give you a budget and you contract help within that budget.
Your contribution is based on the income you have and not what you spend.

I receive direct payments and my minimum contribution is £180 every four weeks regardless of how many hours I employ someone.
As an employer it is my choice to decide hourly rate.
Your mum's contribution is decided on the amount they pay her and not on what she pays you

michael079

Nannytone said:

That is an adult payments work.
They give you a budget and you contract help within that budget.
Your contribution is based on the income you have and not what you spend.

I receive direct payments and my minimum contribution is £180 every four weeks regardless of how many hours I employ someone.
As an employer it is my choice to decide hourly rate.
Your mum's contribution is decided on the amount they pay her and not on what she pays you

My mother no longer needs to make contributions though. Her direct payment is not affected by this and her contributions were only relevant when the previous care company was more than her direct payment and she covered the shortfall. Her direct payment since i took over, according to the council and social services, has not been affected. On the updated support plan that was sent out it clearly outlines the councils contribution (direct payment). From all the replies, i can only gather that there must be different rules for different circumstances.

poppy12345

Nannytone said:

Your mum's contribution is decided on the amount they pay her and not on what she pays you

Exactly which was why i advised that there's still probably a contribution to made from the mother.

michael079

poppy12345 said:

Nannytone said:

Your mum's contribution is decided on the amount they pay her and not on what she pays you

Exactly which was why i advised that there's still probably a contribution to made from the mother.

But that still wouldnt make sense in these circumstances, because the updated support plan that was sent out after i took over didn't show any changes to her direct payment amount. It stated the hourly, weekly and annual figure of the councils contribution to my mothers care costs. Plus i had always had good communication with the social worker up until this issue arose, and she never mentioned anything to me about this. If it is indeed the case however, shouldnt we have been informed? I have tried asking many times for clarification. Otherwise its just a guessing game which im currently playing.

poppy12345

I don't think you're going to get any answers on an internet forum because we're all playing the guessing game. All you can do is keep trying to ring her local council.

michael079

poppy12345 said:

I don't think you're going to get any answers on an internet forum because we're all playing the guessing game. All you can do is keep trying to ring her local council.

Very true, i will just need to keep trying to contact them to get clarification. Many thanks for your help