dental dam?

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Undervalued said:

onwards&upwards said:

Undervalued said:

onwards&upwards said:

Kim_kim said:

brook2jack2 said:

You do know that masks are to protect other people from you , rather than to protect you and that they will be compulsory in shops in England soon? By asking a hairdresser to see you and you don't have to wear a mask you are asking them at a financially very difficult time to put their business ahead of protecting their health and their other customers health, and all for a haircut.

Many people wear a mask all day with no problems at all and if you start acclimatising yourself now by wearing one for a minute at a time and then building up , you should be able to tolerate one pretty quickly rather than dismissing wearing it out of hand . You will then be doing your bit to protect other people the way you would expect to be protected yourself. 

Many people believe that wearing a mask cuts down on oxygen , which is a total myth see this https://youtu.be/vy7DlcCUBrk

I wouldn’t go to a hairdresser that was prepared to take risks with covid. 

People who are practice risky behaviour are why this virus is still dangerous for us months on.  

The hairdresser probably assumed that 'I don't wear masks' meant that money seeker had a legitimate reason for an exemption.  Considering that the exemptions include severe respiratory illness and mental health illness, it would be very harsh for these people to be refused all kinds of personal services for god knows how long until we have a vaccine. 

This particular poster might just be bloody minded (although having read a number of their threads now I'm not actually convinced there isn't a mental health condition/ASD/personality disorder at play) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have compassion for all the people out there who are finding mask wearing etc. impossible, painful or traumatising. 

None of that makes what I said untrue, does it?

Yes but equally it is very "harsh" to expose the service provider (and by extension their family and other necessary contacts) to unnecessary risk when it is not essential. Sadly for every person that genuinely cannot tolerate a dental dam or whatever for genuine medical reasons, there will be rather more who simply choose not to or refuse to make an effort with something they find a bit unpleasant. As with most things they make it far more difficult for those with a genuine need.

I’m afraid that a risk of exposure to infectious diseases comes with the job for healthcare professionals.  It doesn’t exempt them from their duty of care to their patients. 

They also have a duty of care to themselves (and by extension their family and friends) and also to their staff and to other patients.

A dentist (certainly one working privately) is quite entitled to refuse to carry out a treatment and indeed has a duty to do so if they feel it cannot be carried out safely for all involved. They are under no obligation to see the patient again.

On the NHS it is slightly more complicated as, having once seen a patient, they are obliged to complete any medically necessary treatment. Once that is done they are under no obligation to see the patient ever again. Even then they are free to refuse to undertake anything they feel is beyond their expertise or for which they lack the necessary equipment.

And we wonder why dental care is in such a mess in this country.

Toothsmith

onwards&upwards said:

thepurplepixie said:

onwards&upwards said:

Undervalued said:

onwards&upwards said:

Kim_kim said:

brook2jack2 said:

You do know that masks are to protect other people from you , rather than to protect you and that they will be compulsory in shops in England soon? By asking a hairdresser to see you and you don't have to wear a mask you are asking them at a financially very difficult time to put their business ahead of protecting their health and their other customers health, and all for a haircut.

Many people wear a mask all day with no problems at all and if you start acclimatising yourself now by wearing one for a minute at a time and then building up , you should be able to tolerate one pretty quickly rather than dismissing wearing it out of hand . You will then be doing your bit to protect other people the way you would expect to be protected yourself. 

Many people believe that wearing a mask cuts down on oxygen , which is a total myth see this https://youtu.be/vy7DlcCUBrk

I wouldn’t go to a hairdresser that was prepared to take risks with covid. 

People who are practice risky behaviour are why this virus is still dangerous for us months on.  

The hairdresser probably assumed that 'I don't wear masks' meant that money seeker had a legitimate reason for an exemption.  Considering that the exemptions include severe respiratory illness and mental health illness, it would be very harsh for these people to be refused all kinds of personal services for god knows how long until we have a vaccine. 

This particular poster might just be bloody minded (although having read a number of their threads now I'm not actually convinced there isn't a mental health condition/ASD/personality disorder at play) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have compassion for all the people out there who are finding mask wearing etc. impossible, painful or traumatising. 

None of that makes what I said untrue, does it?

Yes but equally it is very "harsh" to expose the service provider (and by extension their family and other necessary contacts) to unnecessary risk when it is not essential. Sadly for every person that genuinely cannot tolerate a dental dam or whatever for genuine medical reasons, there will be rather more who simply choose not to or refuse to make an effort with something they find a bit unpleasant. As with most things they make it far more difficult for those with a genuine need.

I’m afraid that a risk of exposure to infectious diseases comes with the job for healthcare professionals.  It doesn’t exempt them from their duty of care to their patients. 

That doesn't mean they aren't entitled to protection and patients also need to play their part, you can't just demand people put themselves at unnecessary risk.

It’s not unnecessary risk, dental and mouth care is an absolutely vital part of health care, no less important than looking after any other part of the body.  

If a rape survivor, or a person with autism, cannot wear a ‘dental dam’ without suffering extreme distress, panic attacks or flashbacks, then it is not acceptable that as a result of circumstances beyond their control they don’t get any dental care for the foreseeable future.  

A doctor or a nurse wouldn’t refuse them essential care, they would put on their PPE, take whatever other precautions they could and then get on with it because that is the job.  

And if you go back to the original post of this thread - that seems to be exactly what happened. So all is right with the world

thepurplepixie

onwards&upwards said:

thepurplepixie said:

onwards&upwards said:

Undervalued said:

onwards&upwards said:

Kim_kim said:

brook2jack2 said:

You do know that masks are to protect other people from you , rather than to protect you and that they will be compulsory in shops in England soon? By asking a hairdresser to see you and you don't have to wear a mask you are asking them at a financially very difficult time to put their business ahead of protecting their health and their other customers health, and all for a haircut.

Many people wear a mask all day with no problems at all and if you start acclimatising yourself now by wearing one for a minute at a time and then building up , you should be able to tolerate one pretty quickly rather than dismissing wearing it out of hand . You will then be doing your bit to protect other people the way you would expect to be protected yourself. 

Many people believe that wearing a mask cuts down on oxygen , which is a total myth see this https://youtu.be/vy7DlcCUBrk

I wouldn’t go to a hairdresser that was prepared to take risks with covid. 

People who are practice risky behaviour are why this virus is still dangerous for us months on.  

The hairdresser probably assumed that 'I don't wear masks' meant that money seeker had a legitimate reason for an exemption.  Considering that the exemptions include severe respiratory illness and mental health illness, it would be very harsh for these people to be refused all kinds of personal services for god knows how long until we have a vaccine. 

This particular poster might just be bloody minded (although having read a number of their threads now I'm not actually convinced there isn't a mental health condition/ASD/personality disorder at play) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have compassion for all the people out there who are finding mask wearing etc. impossible, painful or traumatising. 

None of that makes what I said untrue, does it?

Yes but equally it is very "harsh" to expose the service provider (and by extension their family and other necessary contacts) to unnecessary risk when it is not essential. Sadly for every person that genuinely cannot tolerate a dental dam or whatever for genuine medical reasons, there will be rather more who simply choose not to or refuse to make an effort with something they find a bit unpleasant. As with most things they make it far more difficult for those with a genuine need.

I’m afraid that a risk of exposure to infectious diseases comes with the job for healthcare professionals.  It doesn’t exempt them from their duty of care to their patients. 

That doesn't mean they aren't entitled to protection and patients also need to play their part, you can't just demand people put themselves at unnecessary risk.

It’s not unnecessary risk, dental and mouth care is an absolutely vital part of health care, no less important than looking after any other part of the body.  

If a rape survivor, or a person with autism, cannot wear a ‘dental dam’ without suffering extreme distress, panic attacks or flashbacks, then it is not acceptable that as a result of circumstances beyond their control they don’t get any dental care for the foreseeable future.  

A doctor or a nurse wouldn’t refuse them essential care, they would put on their PPE, take whatever other precautions they could and then get on with it because that is the job.  

There are special needs clinics for people who can't cope with the normal procedures.  Even then the dentist and their nurse will be entitled to appropriate safety precautions.  If someone is that distressed they can have sedatives, my husband was phobic about the dentist and had to have sedatives for treatment but with years of treatment by a very patient and understanding dentist he can now how treatment without any need for sedatives.  What people can't do is insist that someone else has to be put in danger.  The OP can't demand the dentist to do what she wants, what she can do is work with the dentist in a normal and reasonable way to protect everyone.

onwards&upwards

Toothsmith said:

onwards&upwards said:

thepurplepixie said:

onwards&upwards said:

Undervalued said:

onwards&upwards said:

Kim_kim said:

brook2jack2 said:

You do know that masks are to protect other people from you , rather than to protect you and that they will be compulsory in shops in England soon? By asking a hairdresser to see you and you don't have to wear a mask you are asking them at a financially very difficult time to put their business ahead of protecting their health and their other customers health, and all for a haircut.

Many people wear a mask all day with no problems at all and if you start acclimatising yourself now by wearing one for a minute at a time and then building up , you should be able to tolerate one pretty quickly rather than dismissing wearing it out of hand . You will then be doing your bit to protect other people the way you would expect to be protected yourself. 

Many people believe that wearing a mask cuts down on oxygen , which is a total myth see this https://youtu.be/vy7DlcCUBrk

I wouldn’t go to a hairdresser that was prepared to take risks with covid. 

People who are practice risky behaviour are why this virus is still dangerous for us months on.  

The hairdresser probably assumed that 'I don't wear masks' meant that money seeker had a legitimate reason for an exemption.  Considering that the exemptions include severe respiratory illness and mental health illness, it would be very harsh for these people to be refused all kinds of personal services for god knows how long until we have a vaccine. 

This particular poster might just be bloody minded (although having read a number of their threads now I'm not actually convinced there isn't a mental health condition/ASD/personality disorder at play) but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have compassion for all the people out there who are finding mask wearing etc. impossible, painful or traumatising. 

None of that makes what I said untrue, does it?

Yes but equally it is very "harsh" to expose the service provider (and by extension their family and other necessary contacts) to unnecessary risk when it is not essential. Sadly for every person that genuinely cannot tolerate a dental dam or whatever for genuine medical reasons, there will be rather more who simply choose not to or refuse to make an effort with something they find a bit unpleasant. As with most things they make it far more difficult for those with a genuine need.

I’m afraid that a risk of exposure to infectious diseases comes with the job for healthcare professionals.  It doesn’t exempt them from their duty of care to their patients. 

That doesn't mean they aren't entitled to protection and patients also need to play their part, you can't just demand people put themselves at unnecessary risk.

It’s not unnecessary risk, dental and mouth care is an absolutely vital part of health care, no less important than looking after any other part of the body.  

If a rape survivor, or a person with autism, cannot wear a ‘dental dam’ without suffering extreme distress, panic attacks or flashbacks, then it is not acceptable that as a result of circumstances beyond their control they don’t get any dental care for the foreseeable future.  

A doctor or a nurse wouldn’t refuse them essential care, they would put on their PPE, take whatever other precautions they could and then get on with it because that is the job.  

And if you go back to the original post of this thread - that seems to be exactly what happened. So all is right with the world

True, but a lot of bashing of the OP has gone on and some very concerning posts claiming it’s absolutely fine to shove something into a person’s mouth without their agreement! 

bap98189

onwards&upwards said: True, but a lot of bashing of the OP has gone on and some very concerning posts claiming it’s absolutely fine to shove something into a person’s mouth without their agreement! 

How much detail should a dentist go into in advance? Last time I went to the dentist they didn't explain that they were going to put a cotton wool bud in my mouth or a mirror thingy. They are just routine tools used all the time. A dental dam is the same - 99.9% of patients have no issue with it. It seems to OP does, but unless they have made the dental staff aware that they are particularly nervous or have specific issues, it seems unlikely that the dentist is going to explain every last detail of the procedure.

Sea_Shell

I just Googled dental dam, to see what it was.  OMG!!  They have "other" uses it would appear!!!

strawb_shortcake

I've just spoken to my dentist to get an appointment booked for to have my filling done. 
They couldn't have been more helpful, I've paid in advance as there is no contact with reception. Handbags and coats would be in a locked room but as I've already paid I've no need to take either in.
Main door is locked and they'll let me in when ready, masks are essential until they get in the way. 
I asked about the dental dam and they said it'll be up to the dentist on the day. I don't have a good gag reflex so I'd rather they didn't have to use one but ultimately I'd like my tooth fixed so needs must not to mention ensuring others safety.
Even better they've remembered to put me under the lovely lady dentist rather than the butcher upstairs 

bap98189

Sea_Shell said: I just Googled dental dam, to see what it was.  OMG!!  They have "other" uses it would appear!!!

Is it an internet thing or do you think they ever actually get used for that? I can't see how it would be practical myself.

onwards&upwards

bap98189 said:

onwards&upwards said: True, but a lot of bashing of the OP has gone on and some very concerning posts claiming it’s absolutely fine to shove something into a person’s mouth without their agreement! 

How much detail should a dentist go into in advance? Last time I went to the dentist they didn't explain that they were going to put a cotton wool bud in my mouth or a mirror thingy. They are just routine tools used all the time. A dental dam is the same - 99.9% of patients have no issue with it. It seems to OP does, but unless they have made the dental staff aware that they are particularly nervous or have specific issues, it seems unlikely that the dentist is going to explain every last detail of the procedure.

My dentist tells me what she is doing as she does it.  Anything that is going to feel different or make a new noise, she briefly explains.  I see no reason why they shouldn't all do that, its good communication and good practice. 

Not to mention that this was a new thing for the OP, she thought she knew what to expect for a filling, and was taken aback and shocked by what was done to her with no warning.  That's not good, especially as this does seem to be a person with some additional needs/issues.  The fact that these issues are making her come across poorly in writing does not mean she doesn't deserve compassionate and considerate treatment that takes into account her unique needs. 

Gers

onwards&upwards said:world

True, but a lot of bashing of the OP has gone on and some very concerning posts claiming it’s absolutely fine to shove something into a person’s mouth without their agreement! 

I don't believe for even a second that it happened the way the OP reported it.